tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post1162041218774549125..comments2024-03-26T12:56:54.350+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: The Traditional Mass and childrenLatin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-69636511745754184062018-03-29T17:26:48.313+01:002018-03-29T17:26:48.313+01:00🙏 Bravo, Kristin LA. From one old Traditional Ca...🙏 Bravo, Kristin LA. From one old Traditional Catholic Homeschooling mother to another much younger mother, I totally relate to your comment. So very true. Our young adult children, by the grace of God and His Blessed Mother, are still faithful and practicing Traditional Catholics. My husband and I are very blessed. It was not easy, but the perseverence and prayers of course continue on.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00185156685644162883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-39451502545268552492015-03-09T14:45:17.156+00:002015-03-09T14:45:17.156+00:00In practice it seems very natural to have pauses i...In practice it seems very natural to have pauses in the liturgy in order to deepen the experience so that it can be life shaping. This silence is not inserted as if it did not belong, it becomes part of the liturgy itself. Savonarolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547523172291007631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-75934907404042132892015-03-09T14:26:57.693+00:002015-03-09T14:26:57.693+00:00Inserting pauses into the liturgy to create moment...Inserting pauses into the liturgy to create moments or longer periods for silent prayer is less than ideal because the liturgy has been halted to do this. This was Card Ratzinger's point in his discussion in The Spirit of the Liturgy. The liturgy is or should be contemplative; it is not opposed to silence and contemplation, but rather contemplation is a profound form of liturgical participation.<br /><br />The silent Canon, therefore, is not a matter of excluding the Faithful, but allowing them a deeper form of participation than would otherwise be possible, not just before or after a liturgical action but while the action is actually taking place. Their contemplation is a contemplation *of that action*: notably, the Consecration.<br /><br />The priest's form of participation is never going to be the same as that of the faithful in the pews. The important question is whether the latter's participation is a life-shaping experience.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-66781440495386344542015-03-09T14:04:52.233+00:002015-03-09T14:04:52.233+00:00I looked up the paper and find it interesting, but...I looked up the paper and find it interesting, but am still left with questions. <br />I often attend a 'Contemplative Eucharist' in which communion is followed by 15 or so minutes of silent meditation, and silence is kept elsewhere - after the readings and in the intercessions. But this is silence shared by priest and people doing the same thing, a rather different matter from prayers such as the Canon said silently by the priest. One is an inclusive silence, the other exclusive it seems to me. <br />The Mass is not a act of theatre done for the people, it is surely the celebration of the body of Christ in which all are involved, all have a part to play. To exclude the people from the Canon leaves their part unclear. Are they just spectators? Do they need to be there at all if the Mass works by being done in the right way? <br />The way in which the people have been excluded from the most solemn moment of the Mass, reduced to passive onlookers, is to me symptomatic of how Western Christianity over the centuries has not helped people to participate in their own nature as people in whom the Spirit of God indwells. They are just given doctrines to believe, rituals to attend, moral codes to practise - a whole religious system to sign up to, which will give them a sense of tribal identity, but may not at all help them to know God in a real way, because that is a matter of interior disposition, not just external markers. This for me is the reason why the reform and renewal launched by Vatican was, and still is, so badly needed - and it still has a very long way to go seeing that attitudes of mind entrenched over centuries will not change quickly.<br /> Savonarolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547523172291007631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-11539130852671318722015-03-06T16:02:31.155+00:002015-03-06T16:02:31.155+00:00Seriously, Savonarola, you are starting to make se...Seriously, Savonarola, you are starting to make sense. You need to read the <a href="http://www.unavoce.ru/pdf/FIUV_PP/FIUV_PP9_SilenceFinal.pdf" rel="nofollow">Position Paper on Silence here</a>.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-16762073046339376712015-03-06T14:19:45.646+00:002015-03-06T14:19:45.646+00:00I am not objecting to anything, nor am I bilious, ...I am not objecting to anything, nor am I bilious, just bemused by what seems a strange contradiction. <br />What is perfect prayer? The term pure prayer is used for silent wordless contemplation, totally open to the presence of God. To me this would be perfect prayer, in comparison with which the TLM does seem elaborate, complex, wordy and (to me) fussy. But I have no objection to anyone else enjoying it if they do. Savonarolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547523172291007631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-64247541679592788322015-03-04T15:58:30.897+00:002015-03-04T15:58:30.897+00:00I have found to be true your comment about childre...I have found to be true your comment about children being creatures of habit. When I decided we should regularly pray the rosary together as a family there were groans and complaints at first. Now it is accepted as something we do and they offer many loving prayer petitions to our Lady. Last summer I made the decision to take the children to daily Mass. At first they were aghast that I would make them wake up --in the summer! -- for Mass at 7:00 or 8:30. There was almost a revolt. But I am their mother, and because I desire the salvation of their souls I remained firm and after a week they understood that this is the new normal. We also have started attending the TLM an hour away. They do not observe these pieties under duress; they enjoy them. While acquaintances lament that their children have fallen from the faith, my husband and I have seen our young children grow in faith and understanding. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11974177636805657825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-18089925291847183282015-03-04T12:17:46.674+00:002015-03-04T12:17:46.674+00:00And what is 'fancy liturgy'? Prayer. The C...And what is 'fancy liturgy'? Prayer. The Church's prayer. The most perfect prayer there is. Do you not believe this?Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-74802611173208679862015-03-04T12:16:41.308+00:002015-03-04T12:16:41.308+00:00Swallow your bile, Sav, it is Lent. If you can thi...Swallow your bile, Sav, it is Lent. If you can think of reasoned objections, I'd be happy to hear it. But you don't. Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-84940620025287868302015-03-04T09:43:00.094+00:002015-03-04T09:43:00.094+00:00Interesting that traditionalist Catholics who clai...Interesting that traditionalist Catholics who claim to value quiet and silence are the most voluble and garrulous of bloggers, pouring out an endless stream of comment and commentary on how awful the Church today is and how superior their way. Lent might be a good time to give up blogging and do some real prayer instead - and not just fancy liturgy!Savonarolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547523172291007631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-5753645518592911252015-03-03T21:39:55.710+00:002015-03-03T21:39:55.710+00:00Kwasniewsky is a man we should look out for. He h...Kwasniewsky is a man we should look out for. He has great perception. <br />I suspect he will figure from time to time as we in the (western) Catholic Church pull out of the mess we have got ourselves into. <br /><br />But it will take a little while yet! Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-14044847607830420572015-03-03T16:26:24.790+00:002015-03-03T16:26:24.790+00:00My experience tooMy experience tooFr Ray Blakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05584140126211527252noreply@blogger.com