tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post1637116380187755111..comments2024-03-26T12:56:54.350+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: Voris in London: how to witness to the FaithLatin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-12703418019036726462015-05-09T01:43:08.806+01:002015-05-09T01:43:08.806+01:00Rhoslyn,
Could you please reference the article yo...Rhoslyn,<br />Could you please reference the article you're referring to? I don't remember Voris ever writing an article about this; he more often gives talks, almost all of which I've seen, and I've never heard him offer this anecdote. I believe you're confusing him with someone else. Knowing him personally, he's very polite and humble and is not at all the sort of person to go up to someone in his own house and rudely insult him.<br /><br />ChristineChristinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00134638035059409417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-17600895060721836732015-05-06T14:31:21.594+01:002015-05-06T14:31:21.594+01:00On the standard definition, tax evasion breaks the...On the standard definition, tax evasion breaks the law, tax avoidance does not. So no, they aren't the same morally - far from it.<br /><br />A lot of what passes for 'tax avoidance' by private individuals is the use of tax incentives deliberatly created by Government to encourage certain kinds of behaviour: eg not imposing inheritance tax on business assets, to encourage entrepreneurialism. It would be perverse to say that putting your money into business assets (by starting a busiess), in light of this incentive allowing you to leave more of it to your children, is morally wrong. Is it immoral for the Government to create these incentives?<br /><br />There is a moral question of making a fair contribution to society, of course, but it's not as cut and dried as the question of breaking the law.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-78123133436671707472015-05-06T14:18:18.893+01:002015-05-06T14:18:18.893+01:00Regarding fiddling taxes: do you think tax avoidan...Regarding fiddling taxes: do you think tax avoidance is just as much as a mortal sin and tax evasion?Aduliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00534730218402742905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-24700689622220858412015-05-06T07:38:26.297+01:002015-05-06T07:38:26.297+01:00I too was at the talk. I think you're right on...I too was at the talk. I think you're right on the money here; I have a little experience of 'evangelisation' whilst at university. In my experience the best way is letting people come to you. I managed to get myself a reputation as a Catholic and found that people would come to me and ask questions. I also suspect the big one that Catholics can and should do, is object to dodgy charities. (seemingly the vast majority).<br /><br />Michael Voris made several comments about following in the footsteps of Sts Thomas More and John Fisher: Certainly Thomas More was none too keen to condemn himself to the axe, and was even concerned that he was setting himself up for martyrdom. The trouble came to him, and the 'trick', as you say, is being in the right state when it does arrive. Vincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00766459138852975580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-28025014483210084842015-05-05T23:13:01.959+01:002015-05-05T23:13:01.959+01:00I remember reading one of Voris' articles wher...I remember reading one of Voris' articles where he said he went to a Lutheran's house, insulted him to his face and in his own house and then Voris was *outraged* when this Lutheran chucked him out. What was he expecting? By all means, stand your ground, but we have to charitable and we're not obliged to be a general pain in the backside at all times. Rhoslynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11974106206703455204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-7036153392603543932015-05-05T16:07:31.954+01:002015-05-05T16:07:31.954+01:00Speaking as a Lawyer I entirely agree with you Jos...Speaking as a Lawyer I entirely agree with you Joseph, any form of "in your face" evangelisation at work is likely to lead to the sack and such dismissals are extremely difficult to challenge. <br /><br />That doesn't mean that people should feel the need to keep their faith hidden. There is nothing wrong with making it clear that you are a Catholic, saying things like "We are off to Walsingham this weekend for a Pilgrimage" or similar remarks is something that cannot be objected to and if people want to ask how things went at the Pilgrimage what happens etc then that is OK because you are responding to questions. If someone does want to discuss some point of belief in depth then I recommend saying something along the lines of "Well thats something best discussed outside work, lets meet up for a drink/coffee/meal later to talk about it". If then they disagree with anything you say in the subsequent conversation it is much more difficult for them to complain because it is an "out of work" private conversation<br /><br />Be particularly careful to to be provoked on issues such as Abortion or Gay rights by people who may well be looking for you to say something they can then complain about. Also be very careful if the person you are talking to is vulnerable (a patient in Hospital for example) or is junior to you since those situations can easily be interpreted as a misuse of power<br /><br />Ultimately being seen as a friendly, honest reliable workmate/employee who is a Catholic is far more effective as a means of evangelisation than anything else. Neil Addisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489922704972084561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-37181430637652180472015-05-05T14:32:59.313+01:002015-05-05T14:32:59.313+01:00Voris is good. I know he upsets a lot of people b...Voris is good. I know he upsets a lot of people but then he would if he is good. He is outspoken and clear about Catholic Teaching, often tackling issues others, including priests and bishops shy away from. A bit like Belloc it seems to me?<br /><br />Incidently, if they start locking us Catholics up for being Catholic, he will be one of the first to go inside! Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-44775021226901271002015-05-04T15:42:57.354+01:002015-05-04T15:42:57.354+01:00Points well taken, my friend. However, it is, as I...Points well taken, my friend. However, it is, as I think you point out, a fine line as how to evangelize in certain places and situations. What will work in one place may not work in another. One must pick his battles wisely. What a war we are in. May the Trinity and all the saints guide us in how to proceed in this Holy War.Woodyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02461037782982511931noreply@blogger.com