tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post1930552339663648273..comments2024-03-26T12:56:54.350+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: Viganò and the pyramid of liesLatin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-13859389297422688412018-09-02T17:16:10.932+01:002018-09-02T17:16:10.932+01:00A sad time to see a great church reduced to this u...A sad time to see a great church reduced to this unseemly mess. The devil prowling about now has a grin on his face. The church will lose its credibility if it does not address and fully and honestly respond objectively to the Vigano letter. No ad hominem attacks on the character of Vigano. The evidence which will of will not support his accusations if available so come on Francis do your duty and set up a judicial review of all the allegations and, where true, sackings and resignations and criminal proceedings must take place up to the very highest levels in the church. We want to hear no more mealy mouthed utterings. John Fergusonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03565977988682193673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-54869044073658693832018-09-02T16:46:26.351+01:002018-09-02T16:46:26.351+01:00The great question at the moment seems to me to be...The great question at the moment seems to me to be how to defend the Church and Truth from the liars in the press and in the Francis entourage. Their method of calumny and glossing over facts and spinning the truth is as old as revolutionary leftism. So how can we, not having their resources, work in God's cause for the truth to come out? Why is it that their dishonest, tired old method of calumny and ostracizing those who speak the truth against their lies and disinformation does not seem to get old? Is God's Adversary that powerful---and if so, why does God not seem to come the defense of His own? All this is agonizing mystery to me.coradcorloquiturhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07125381369456761748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-35274167185891164672018-08-31T09:35:26.679+01:002018-08-31T09:35:26.679+01:00Yes, Joseph, the satanic smoke is all too clearly ...Yes, Joseph, the satanic smoke is all too clearly visible in its attempts at the obfuscation of the obvious realities. This is so not merely in the abusive perversions and lying hypocrisy of hierarchs and other (top-to-bottom!) clergy, but in the subsequent widespread collusion between them to cover-up their sins and actual criminality. <br />Were all those concerned in the perversions, crimes and cover-ups good, Christian and honourable men, they would resign, repent and do penance -- BUT they are not, and their record suggests they will try to brazen it out with more lies. Even the Vatican seems to be under the control of Modernist charlatans and heretics. (We were recently told to celebrate the Protestant revolution against the Church of God, for heaven's sakes!!) They now pretend to change the dogmas of Holy Faith -- even ignoring the words of Our Blessed Lord. Pray for the Church.<br />I have suspected this evil-within-the-Church for many years. I have seen the results of the gradual decline of the faith, morals AND the trusting acceptance in Catholic dogma since the Novus Ordo Mass was instituted, (along with, through poor teaching and creeping gradualism, a reduction amongst the faithful in the belief in the sacrificial mature of the Mass, the Real Presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament) its liturgical abuses and the ugly-fication of most churches and even cathedrals. I'd better stop now -- you all know my drift garbled as it is!!Ignatius, Cornwallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06682463477631323674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-34198633893547363442018-08-31T08:49:24.304+01:002018-08-31T08:49:24.304+01:00Hear, hear!!Hear, hear!!Ignatius, Cornwallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06682463477631323674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-57600380948468673882018-08-31T02:29:22.066+01:002018-08-31T02:29:22.066+01:00*magisterial teachings*magisterial teachingsCarolynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10453000467624662591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-6500259806694009042018-08-31T02:28:41.533+01:002018-08-31T02:28:41.533+01:00I agree, it has my greatest concern over the last ...I agree, it has my greatest concern over the last few years. Chipping away at dogma, nagmagister teachings and the very foundations has been underway for awhile.i was labeled a "rigid" for expressing concern-me, a Spirit-filled Evangelical Catholic who only wants our sure foundation preserved for salvation's sakeCarolynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10453000467624662591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-89253949878133950702018-08-30T20:53:44.732+01:002018-08-30T20:53:44.732+01:00"Pope Francis himself has weighed in on the a..."Pope Francis himself has weighed in on the allegations in a different, but equally puzzling way. In a press conference, he told the assembled journalists to read the memorandum and reach their own conclusions."<br /><br />Now that Parolin has repeated this line, it seems it must have been the agreed response in the crisis meeting. I think it is superb. <br /><br />(1) It buys time. (2) It introduces doubt about Vigano's account without denying anything. (3) It places the story at the level of a journalistic wrangle about who did what when and why - and I from my divine height am above all that. (4) It affirms the Pope's transcendence above any direct question. (5) It is a sanctimoniously patronising put down - "have a think about it, it will be good for you as a journalist". (6) It is the first step towards overcoming this for PF: if he can brazen it out, he'll feel more untouchable than ever. If this can't destroy me, I can do almost anything I like.<br /><br />As I say, I think it is the most superb response that could have been dreamt of, and is just the kind of thing the devil would have said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-82663305667087208062018-08-30T17:34:58.476+01:002018-08-30T17:34:58.476+01:00Dr Shaw thsnk you for your honest & comprehens...Dr Shaw thsnk you for your honest & comprehensice commentary of nuncio Vigano’s testimony. It is the best one, to date, that I have read. You are spot on in all your points and I thank God for sharing your thoughts with all who have.been devastated by recent happenings as well as PF’s attempt to “Reform” the Church into his likeness..<br />The cries of the abused have reached heaven and thank God for Vigano’s testimony so that light is now penetrating the datkness taking place in the Church. May God’s justice cleanse His temple of this abominable sin and heinous abuse of power by the clergy, bishops, carffinals and the pope. God bless you.<br /><br /><br /><br />Matildahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05118129600233831911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-85857077640598239992018-08-30T16:15:42.784+01:002018-08-30T16:15:42.784+01:00Apart from the sexual abuse and homosexual activi...Apart from the sexual abuse and homosexual activity that has been taking place in the Church, the heretical watering down of Church teaching also needs to be urgently addressed<br /><br />Jean<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05887963672212155740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-24419783598445098432018-08-30T14:45:41.011+01:002018-08-30T14:45:41.011+01:00That feeling in your gut... the older i get the mo...That feeling in your gut... the older i get the more i think God uses our guts to tell us to use our head. Funny how in the english language "gut" and "God" sound so similar.Fru Aashildhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18368475341663497418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-33144332318373233122018-08-30T14:29:22.036+01:002018-08-30T14:29:22.036+01:00For my money, Mr Shaw's take on all this is ir...For my money, Mr Shaw's take on all this is irrefutable, unanswerable. Just as Vigano's testimony. Which is why, of course, PF keeps suspiciously quiet... Jack Tollershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06335680876786251157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-56974381115309785252018-08-29T22:54:51.078+01:002018-08-29T22:54:51.078+01:00When I spotted Cardinal Daneels there on the night...When I spotted Cardinal Daneels there on the night of the election I had a bad feeling. Sadly it seems my gut was correct. What a mess. Excellent piece Mr Shaw.Kennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15346801564305334415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-69138806572407378002018-08-29T17:26:12.573+01:002018-08-29T17:26:12.573+01:00"...after reading the Viganò memo, is that is..."...after reading the Viganò memo, is that is not just credible, but that it is, at least in broad outline, obviously true. Yes, it is obviously true. " <br /><br />My exact reaction. It is the type of testimony to which there can be only two possible responses. The person being accused could respond: "I am stunned, flabbergasted, and have no idea what XYZ is talking about. We have worked closely for years and I don't recognize any of the conversations. I tried to reach him before to talk to him, but he won't take my calls. None of this happened and I cannot imagine why he is saying any of this." If the accused were to respond this way, we would know that one was telling the truth, and one was lying, and we would be left to figure out which one was which. The other response could be, "I have nothing to say at this time." The latter response would tell us that the accused was guilty as charged. The latter response is essentially how the Pope responded. So, my take is exactly what your was.utahagenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15477745027202841793noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-30426421574854309072018-08-29T16:31:46.682+01:002018-08-29T16:31:46.682+01:00The problem, of course, is that no one has the aut...The problem, of course, is that no one has the authority to force the Pope to abdicate. The cry going up to Heaven from all quarters is 'What can we do?'<br />Sue Simshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976537787708670241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-30382471361280575182018-08-29T14:50:42.310+01:002018-08-29T14:50:42.310+01:00PF won't answer +Viganò's testimony becaus...PF won't answer +Viganò's testimony because he can't. He didn't answer the Dubia for the same reason. +Viganò made his testimony on oath before a US Court Official who must retain a copy that can only be produced in a court of law, so burning all other copies would be futile. Sexual abuse on youths & young adults is a homosexual depravity (Sodomy) & cannot be upheld by any Catholic, much less the Pope & Hierarchy of the CC. Neither can the wilful changing of Catholic Doctrine to suit their agenda, nor the countless suspensions on holy Catholic priests who refuse HC to unrepentant sinner, nor the excommunication of an old man trying to uphold pre VII dogmas of the CC, nor the interdicts on Catholic journalists for attempting to do the same. PF is a scandal on the OHC&A Church & has proven himself not fit for purpose. The promised formal correction that should have been made twenty months ago should now proceed with haste, followed by a council of the church to tell us not to follow PF or his cronies. Ana Milanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13614286775064340959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-27993566580718617282018-08-29T14:04:02.845+01:002018-08-29T14:04:02.845+01:00The attempts at deflection and at playing the race...The attempts at deflection and at playing the race card and signs of desperation about what is surely to come. We're told that Francis has other 'more important' things to do than defend himself against these surely authentic claims, such as comment on the environment and migrants! What about Christ? Ah, some people attack him because he's a Latino, you see! Desperation, or what?! But ALSO that there are other institutions involved with sexual abuse and so the media should look there instead! And this, from a Prince of the Church, though the context of the elevation is becoming rapidly clear, as with the other high prelates deeply involved in the scandal. They are whitewashed sepulchres, a nest of vipers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-83184022237643990002018-08-29T12:30:11.346+01:002018-08-29T12:30:11.346+01:00My initial scepticism has been most effectually ov...My initial scepticism has been most effectually overcome by Cardinal Cupich not only telling us the Church is much too busy to investigate but also, mind-bogglingly, playing the race card on Francis's behalf.Mr Grumpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317128956060393033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-48685538415655273942018-08-29T11:28:14.565+01:002018-08-29T11:28:14.565+01:00This is probably the most cogent analysis of the T...This is probably the most cogent analysis of the Testimony yet.Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-19477996683862840602018-08-29T09:21:53.161+01:002018-08-29T09:21:53.161+01:00Unsurprisingly excellent. Thank you.Unsurprisingly excellent. Thank you.Mater marihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11728398207770659181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-90256714442746439382018-08-28T22:19:57.082+01:002018-08-28T22:19:57.082+01:00Thank you, Dr Shaw: a magisterial (no pun, not eve...Thank you, Dr Shaw: a magisterial (no pun, not even a satirical one, intended) response.<br />Sue Simshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05976537787708670241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-85439949637698333772018-08-28T21:50:04.630+01:002018-08-28T21:50:04.630+01:00I am glad to see that many Francis-fans are starti...I am glad to see that many Francis-fans are starting to change their tune, but it is sad that they did not see his evisceration of Catholic dogma as a cause which was equally worthy of condemnation.Deacon Augustinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03549825303646357455noreply@blogger.com