tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post2177802169617139895..comments2024-03-26T12:56:54.350+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: Amoris laetitia: that footnote 351Latin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-40558267887619256782016-04-12T16:10:18.003+01:002016-04-12T16:10:18.003+01:00Regarding Aquinas' remarks on the Germans'...Regarding Aquinas' remarks on the Germans' theft, J Budziszewski wrote in First Things:<br /><br />'Certain moral matters are so obvious that at some level everyone already knows them - the wrong of adultery, for example, and the wrong of theft. <br /><br />Of course, this raises the question: If we already know them, then why is God’s precept necessary? In one sense, it is impossible to be mistaken about these fundamentals; they are right before the eye of the mind. And yet, as Thomas Aquinas remarks, “they need to be promulgated, because human judgment, in a few instances, happens to be led astray concerning them.” <br /><br />It is in this context that Thomas mentions the ancient Germans, among whom, he says, “theft, although it is expressly contrary to the natural law, was not considered wrong.” Thomas’ source, Caesar’s commentaries on the Gallic War, shows that what he had in mind was the Germans’ approval of stealing from tribes other than their own. These barbarians were “led astray,” however, not because they were ignorant of the wrong of taking what properly belongs to one’s neighbor but because they refused to recognize the members of the other tribes as neighbors. They didn’t justify theft; they told themselves that they weren’t really thieves.'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-6298525417156369702016-04-11T17:04:05.676+01:002016-04-11T17:04:05.676+01:00The problem is the many people in today's worl...The problem is the many people in today's world do not see divorce and remarriage as being sinful. This is why they see that receiving communion is ok. They would look at going to confession as something we do not need any more only those who are guilty need that. A remarried person is not guilty in today's understand. The Document does not change our teachings on the understanding of remarried couples. It asks us to understand the situation and to guide them to a solution that is in line with the Church's teachings we are to do this with charity. <br />Our job as priest is to teach not to condemn, if a person in is a state of objective sin we are to teach and encourage them to refrain from receiving Holy Communion and to encourage them to seek a resolution to the objective sin. We are to teach what God has given us as the ideal, and if we do that they are the ones who understand not to receive Holy Communion. It is not ours to refuse because how do we know if that person had went to confession before the holy Mass and confessed their sins and did make a change of life so the they could receive Holy Communion. Are we to be the police or are to exercise charity. There is the question? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05253093683903145122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-79416471486181447342016-04-09T22:13:10.794+01:002016-04-09T22:13:10.794+01:00But as I explained, that is not the issue which Aq...But as I explained, that is not the issue which Aquinas is addressing in the cited passage.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-19209656012050167682016-04-09T21:55:47.087+01:002016-04-09T21:55:47.087+01:00In that same paragraph,301, St Thomas Aquinas is q...In that same paragraph,301, St Thomas Aquinas is quoted: “Certain saints are said not to possess certain virtues, in so far as they experience difficulty in the acts of those virtues, even though they have the habits of all the virtues”. I can offer one splendid example: Pope St John Paul II and his treatment of Fr Pedro Arrupe.<br />I recall Fr Pedro's prayer: "Teach me your way of looking at people: as you glanced at Peter after his denial, as you penetrated the heart of the rich young man and the hearts of your disciples." I believe Pope Francis may be motivated by this sentiment and perhaps those who criticise might benefit by adopting it.<br /><br />As also the teaching of that great confessor, the Venerable Fr Felix Cappello SJ: “Principles are principles, and they remain firm and are always to be defended. But all consciences are not the same. In applying principles to consciences, we must do it with great prudence, much common sense, and much goodness. In your opinions and decisions never be severe. The Lord does not want that. Be always just, but never severe. Give the solution that offers the soul some room in which to breathe.” Hugh McLoughlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01544142376176954474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-8592687915635683172016-04-09T14:50:46.692+01:002016-04-09T14:50:46.692+01:00But the reference to 'the sacraments' whic...But the reference to 'the sacraments' which are to be received by one in an on-going state of sin is naturally understood to mean confession and Holy Communion. And the term 'weak' is naturally understood to refer to those who are in the state just described, i.e. one of objective sin.<br /><br />Fr Thomas Crean OPfr. Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15867987745174360221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-74840867345998134832016-04-08T21:50:08.978+01:002016-04-08T21:50:08.978+01:00There never has been a problem with objective, but...There never has been a problem with objective, but not subjective sin. But the Church has a duty to point out this error and forbid the reception of Holy Communion until rectified. There is nothing to stop these adulterers coming to the parish fete in the meantime. <br /><br />As for the “ torture chamber” remark, that is a bit of a joke. What chamber. They seem to have stopped using it in my parish?Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-33340509160534542252016-04-08T20:26:25.158+01:002016-04-08T20:26:25.158+01:00On the issue of a "weak" versus "de...On the issue of a "weak" versus "dead" member of the Church, Amoris Laetitia is in err. AL 299: "Such persons need to feel not as excommunicated members of the Church, but instead as living members, able to live and grow in the Church and experience her as a mother who welcomes them always, who takes care of them with affection and encourages them along the path of life and the Gospel" <br />AL 301: "Hence it is can no longer simply be said that all those in any “irregular” situation are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00388704281945602079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-90824187785202322472016-04-08T19:48:14.533+01:002016-04-08T19:48:14.533+01:00The priest in the picture is Fr. Jean ;-)The priest in the picture is Fr. Jean ;-)Konstantinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13701303189143549671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-20967540577631735482016-04-08T18:32:49.070+01:002016-04-08T18:32:49.070+01:00For an example of what's wrong with the footno...For an example of what's wrong with the footnote, examine Bishop Barron's comment on Amoris Laetitia:<br />http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/4697/Bishop_Barron_First_thoughts_on_iAmoris_Laetitiai.aspx<br /><br />Notice the sloppy analysis of the divorced and remarried being called "irregular marriage" and "it is not possible to leave the second relationship because it is fruitful" and the distinction between "ideal" and "real". Divorced and remarried relationships are not irregular marriages, they are not marriages at all. They are either adulterous relationships or non-sexual co-habitation for an valid purpose (e.g. taking care of children, taking care of family, etc). The Eucharist is not a medicine for the weak who does not repent of his continual sin....it is a condemnation for such a person that will make him weaker. <br /><br />Similarly, the same can be said for sexual co-habitation. There are no positive elements in sin. Fidelity does not exist without commitment. Openness to children is not there, or if it is, it is sin to wilfully bring children into the world without commitment. True love is not there if you want the option to quit if it's inconvenient.<br /><br />The solutions to both problems is simple. Stop having sex outside of marriage. The sacraments are not open to you, nor can they do anything except harm you in that state.<br />Anil Wanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06223235205492924930noreply@blogger.com