tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post21921483190663525..comments2024-03-26T12:56:54.350+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: St Edmund Campion Missal and HymnalLatin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-64573859456398245312018-01-19T13:15:40.864+00:002018-01-19T13:15:40.864+00:00I should add, every Mass ends with the appropriate...I should add, every Mass ends with the appropriate Marian Antiphon following the Last Gospel. I suggest that if every congregation did this prior to the Council the radical element would not have succeeded in forcing a false active participation upon the world.Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-22553029035434727912018-01-19T13:06:19.538+00:002018-01-19T13:06:19.538+00:00The book is not designed to replace a hand missal....The book is not designed to replace a hand missal. As said above, it is a pew resource. At the Church where I am Cantor and conduct the little choir, this has been the greatest resource I have ever seen for the congregation.<br /><br />In St. Thomas, Ontario at Holy Angels, we begin with a processional hymn and a recessional hymn in English either from this hymnal or the one in the pew, Catholic Book of Worship II. There are suitable hymns in both.<br /><br />More importantly, the Congregation has all the music to sing the Asperges and Vidi Aquam, and they do.<br /><br />In six years, they have learnt to sing:<br /><br />Mass I, II, II, IV, VI, VIII (which was all they knew), IX, XI (the other they knew), XII, XV and XVII, both Kyrie, the first for Lent the second for Advent, and two "ad libitum". They have mastered Credo I, II, III, IV and this past year, they learnt V and VI.<br /><br />Why should the congregation not sing the Ordinary and the riches of the whole Kyriale? I am humbly "proud" to say, I don't know another congregation than this that can sing all of this.<br /><br />How have they done it?<br /><br />Because, I have forced them to learn to read. By changing the Masses (not weekly, but seasonally and monthly) I have forced them to learn to read the neums rather than just memorise Mass VIII.<br /><br />Simple pedagogical methodology.<br /><br /><br />Vox Cantorishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16987049370515084083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-64028350249122969792014-01-04T01:03:24.752+00:002014-01-04T01:03:24.752+00:00Ribbons inevitably shred; I never have a shortage ...Ribbons inevitably shred; I never have a shortage of memorial cards in my breviary or personal missal from which I could "borrow" for the purpose of keeping up with the necessary flipping....fpfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08438002817518149443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-20926989506051364902013-09-26T21:16:28.338+01:002013-09-26T21:16:28.338+01:00The Campion missal is intended neither as a hand m...The Campion missal is intended neither as a hand missal that would compete with the Baronius and Angelus missals, nor as a hand-out at Mass. But, rather, as a pew missal to be kept permanently in the racks on the backs of pews for folks to grab and use just at Mass. To my knowledge has already been purchased to fully stock the pews in a number of FSSP (and other) parishes in the U.S. (Hmm . . . I wonder if this is largely a U.S. phenomenon.)<br /><br />It is intended only for Sunday use, and thus contains all Sunday and Holy Day Masses and those for all other feasts that can be used for Sunday Mass when they fall on a Sunday. Most traditional Masses are (lamentably) still scheduled for Sundays only. Since it is not intended as a personal hand missal, the fact that it contains no daily Masses is irrelevant. Anyone so fortunate as to attend a daily TLM will surely have his own treasured hand missal to carry with him.<br /><br />In my view, it is designed very well (and evidently deliberately) for its intended use as a combined pew missal and hymnal, containing just the limited number traditional hymns proportional to their reduced usage at TLMs. As such, it is thinner and lighter than many or most common hard-backed pew hymnals seen in pew racks nowadays.<br /><br />Finally, although there was no ribbon in the already sold-out first edition, the second edition that is currently being sold does have a ribbon--for switching back and forth between Ordinary and Propers (which for each Mass are all in one place).<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-86925644808904829782013-07-10T11:55:38.281+01:002013-07-10T11:55:38.281+01:00But it is far too bulky to have piled up to hand o...But it is far too bulky to have piled up to hand out to the congregation! It is far bigger than anything I have seen intended for congregational use. Just imagine what 50 or 100 of these books would look like piled up, how difficult to store, how heavy to hand out. And the binding is unsuitable for the hard knocks it will get in such use. It will look scruffy after 6 months and the covers will fall off in a couple of years.<br /><br />And if it is for the congregation, why does it have all that extraneous material such as photographs of ancient manuscripts?<br /><br />I don't mean to be rude, I just point out that there is a reason why hand-missals and congregational hymn-books are made they way they are. If the publishers took a different path by accident then that is a strange mistake to make. If they did it on purpose they must have had a different objective in mind.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-55758256569717384682013-07-08T17:55:35.652+01:002013-07-08T17:55:35.652+01:00I think you're missing the point of the book. ...I think you're missing the point of the book. It is meant to be a congregational resource, placed in the pews for anyone to use who wishes to do so. Thus, it contains the hymns and music of which you speak. This is also the reason why it is a little heavier than most other missals.<br /><br />That being said, this is in fact the PERFECT missal for family devotions, which, for some, might include singing a hymn and reading the Sunday lessons.Claytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16254818054635634517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-78347811811750345892013-03-26T18:20:22.607+00:002013-03-26T18:20:22.607+00:00Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Alphonsus Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07979620591831858572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-89027528806188422472013-03-26T16:29:41.398+00:002013-03-26T16:29:41.398+00:00The term 'usus antiquior' is used in the P...The term 'usus antiquior' is used in the Preface and 'Extraordinary Form' in the Intro; on the cover it calls it 'Missal and Hymnal for the Traditional Latin Mass'. But there's no commentary on the texts or anything so the issues about mutual enrichment etc. don't arise.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-26625899802972945132013-03-26T16:23:52.352+00:002013-03-26T16:23:52.352+00:00Good review. It seems that it's not quite as w...Good review. It seems that it's not quite as wonderful as those in the Rorate Caeli comboxes would have us believe. If I buy it at all, I'll definitely be waiting until the next edition comes out. <br /><br />By the way, is it in any way infected with post Vatican II newspeak such as "Extraordinary Form," "mutual enrichment," or "hermeneutic of continuity"? Will we see such terminology anywhere at all in this missal? <br /><br />Also, Watershed also sells one "Vatican II Hymnal." Is this missal at all tainted by any of these? Alphonsus Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07979620591831858572noreply@blogger.com