tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post3686410392593187658..comments2024-03-14T06:43:39.590+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: Catholic Cyber BullyingLatin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-19978297210086791562012-05-05T02:45:35.766+01:002012-05-05T02:45:35.766+01:00Catholic cyberbullying doesn't happen just on ...Catholic cyberbullying doesn't happen just on Twitter. Last year I was viciously cyberbullied on a Traditionalist Catholic blog by Traditionalist Catholics. My bullying-worthy sin? Falling in love with an Anglican.<br /><br />After I got cyberbullied, I felt ashamed of my faith because my Anglican fiance saw the hateful comments and asked me about them. He wanted to know why Catholics look down on Protestants [note: they were the types of Traditionalist Catholics that do not believe in ecumenism].<br /><br />Cyberbullying Catholics should realize that sins committed over the internet are still sins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-55996335994735019092012-05-02T07:12:43.895+01:002012-05-02T07:12:43.895+01:00I share the unknowledge of what has been taking pl...I share the unknowledge of what has been taking place so my thoughts are general. It may sound naive in a technological age, but why does anyone bother with Twitter? It strikes me as being displacement activity for a grown-up life; the intellectual equivalent of drinking out of a beer bottle instead of using a glass, a regression to infancy.<br />Instead of producing an Oscar Wilde level of epigrams, tweeting seems to have degenerated into a contest of undisciplined playground exchanges of the worst kind, along with age-old excuse: "It wasn't me who started it."<br />The difference between children and adults is that adults should be able to discern that something else may be going on behind a particular statement and to let it rest. But the whole Twitter culture seems inimical to this. <br />The solution may be, should be, a good Confession with a firm purpose of amendment.Gentyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05569143943867323153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-37764529398509753602012-05-02T00:08:43.437+01:002012-05-02T00:08:43.437+01:00What EFpastor emeritus said, even though I read Ca...What EFpastor emeritus said, even though I read Caroline's blog regularly.<br /><br />A hardcore oldskul anti-sentimental old-rite-loving cynical priest used to say to me that ninety percent of being a saint is being an nice guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-25395256882788755292012-05-01T16:07:05.464+01:002012-05-01T16:07:05.464+01:00I have spent ten minutes reading these comments,mo...I have spent ten minutes reading these comments,more fool me! and I still do not know what the heck is going on! Please don't tell! Leave me in ignorance in this instance. Seems some heads need to be knocked together,,,,but as I said, I do not knw what it is all about!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-22383948598104082852012-04-30T08:18:14.169+01:002012-04-30T08:18:14.169+01:00Actually, gratuitouss flaming is wrong regardless ...Actually, gratuitouss flaming is wrong regardless of the topic.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-74630922929787681952012-04-29T23:39:29.931+01:002012-04-29T23:39:29.931+01:00I don't use it. I'm just saying what I see...I don't use it. I'm just saying what I see. Actually, I did just use it to promote an event at a local Church, so that's not wholly true.<br /><br />On the whole though, it's vile.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-75798257365303979522012-04-29T23:26:16.863+01:002012-04-29T23:26:16.863+01:00Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur. Given the a...Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur. Given the absence of evidence, those circulating serious allegations should apologise. Failing that, they should shut up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-71070639455076477812012-04-29T23:00:33.901+01:002012-04-29T23:00:33.901+01:00For you maybe, but to apply that to everyone is na...For you maybe, but to apply that to everyone is naive.MissDenninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08850517274612615471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-10593791739051772572012-04-29T22:50:27.431+01:002012-04-29T22:50:27.431+01:00Twitter is not a support network. It is an online ...Twitter is not a support network. It is an online facility for self-promotion.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-47314249041123877922012-04-29T22:48:36.799+01:002012-04-29T22:48:36.799+01:00Well then perhaps, Dr Joseph, it might have been w...Well then perhaps, Dr Joseph, it might have been wise NOT to start this here at all, onto your blog, since you yourself have dragged out a sad personal spat between Catholics from the narcissistic realm of Twitter into your eminent blog, eminent both in the sense that you write excellently about the Catholic Faith, and in the sense that you are the Chairman of the Latin Mass Society. Did you really expect the dogs not to return to their vomit? I should have left well alone, perhaps, but I can sense no equity of treatment is to be found here. You could have closed comments for this blogpost from the start. That would have been just on all concerned.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-501032396804730812012-04-29T22:33:31.264+01:002012-04-29T22:33:31.264+01:00If someone said this
"The baby's probabl...If someone said this<br /><br />"The baby's probably fucking dead by now and if the damn thing is you'll have blood on your hands which suits me cos I don't want it anyway"<br /><br />about my unborn baby, I would not love it, I would feel sick to my stomach. This is the vile kind of thing that has been said. It's provocative and downright nasty bullying.<br /><br />And I haven't seen anyone hurling insults at Otsota, just people pointing out his barefaced hypocrisy. Oh bad old Caroline made Stuart cry and hospitalised him with her vicious words, she's so bad. Then in the next breath, she's a cyber-terrorist who is malevolent, delusional, evil and needs to stop - HE'S NO BETTER than what he's accusing her of doing! Not only that but he seems to think he's innocent in all this or justified because Caroline is so awful, but yet fails repeatedly to explain why!<br /><br />It's mental! Is there no reasoning with you all?<br /><br />To compare all this with The Telegraph is absurd, twitter is not just a means of debating a point or posting mundane statements about current events, it's also a social thing for many and speaking to real life friends in much the same way as people use Facebook. It's almost as if you're suggesting that to continue to use twitter is to ask for it, or to bring the bullying upon yourself which is unfair. Nobody deserves the ridicule and hatred that has been bestowed upon Caroline and to almost excuse it by saying “well don’t go online then and it won’t happen” is crap. Why should Caroline have to sacrifice a support network and means of communicating with friends because of some people who can’t seem to control themselves or behave with a degree of reason and sanity? It’s shameful!MissDenninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08850517274612615471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-76411170017021863352012-04-29T22:21:38.091+01:002012-04-29T22:21:38.091+01:00Sorry Lawrence we are NOT starting that here.Sorry Lawrence we are NOT starting that here.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-49446796144980543692012-04-29T22:06:29.894+01:002012-04-29T22:06:29.894+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-89109915998879552352012-04-29T21:36:03.900+01:002012-04-29T21:36:03.900+01:00Thank you for this post which really gets to the n...Thank you for this post which really gets to the nub of what all this is about. Even the most heinous criminal gets a fair trial. <br />It seems to me that I have been watching something akin to a lynch mob, pursuing one person with almost righteous fervour, on the basis of heresay, hunches, happenstance and a feeling in someone's water.<br />This isn't a 'game of two halves'. There are no 'two equal sides' stubbornly ranged against each other, both refusing to give way.<br /> It is a sustained campaign against one woman, by a group of principally four Catholic bloggers, who, having failed to co opt more support among fellow Catholics, have recruited, or found common cause with, anti catholic pro aborts and Gay rights activists.<br />Standing on the sidelines while one person is being abused by a group, and pretending that they are 'all as bad as each other' is tantamount to cooperating with it in my opinion.<br />Sad that this even needs to be said at all.Clare@ BattlementsOfRubieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13672603563016876943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-37682777380285648602012-04-29T20:24:44.531+01:002012-04-29T20:24:44.531+01:00As far as I can see, this slanging has been going ...As far as I can see, this slanging has been going on for AGES.<br /><br />They all love it, that's why it all continues. <br /><br />It would be like me saying, I hate blogging and going on The Telegraph to enter into debates. People keep calling me a fruitcake for holding Catholics views.<br /><br />Oh, I'm so hurt and terrified by it!<br /><br />Oh well, better go back and carry on being called a fruitcake...<br /><br />The difference is that I do like it. That's why I go back.<br /><br />Same with these guys on BOTH sides.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-63737700574126566702012-04-29T18:53:51.666+01:002012-04-29T18:53:51.666+01:00Yes you're quite right, if they dropped twitte...Yes you're quite right, if they dropped twitter it would stop, but we just know that it's going to happen because both sides are too stubborn and so we reach a stale mate. Side A won't drop it because I suspect that they do not wish to admit defeat and admit they were wrong, and Side B will not stop because she wants her name cleared and rightly so, i'd want my innocence proven too if i'd been wrongly accused of something in such a public and vulgar manner.<br /><br />I'd just like the nastiness to stop, there is no need for it and it's ugly.<br /><br />I think for Side B this has to be about picking your battles and weighing up what is important, rather than what is right. What is important is your mental health and family life. What is not important is the opinion of a few people on twitter who cannot hold their tongues or be civil, it is not important to engage with people of that ilk, they are best avoided. Of course it is not right that they are allowed to get away with it, without justification, but it's most likely lies and therefore not important anyway.<br /><br />Let those who show themselves up to be hateful and make mendacious claims continue to do so because it really doesn't matter what they think, they're insignificant in the grand scheme of things.<br /><br />A break from social networking sites can be a blessing. Having recently given up Facebook, I can confirm it's been a revelation - never has my ironing pile been so small! ;o)MissDenninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08850517274612615471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-35857777145996811402012-04-29T18:36:29.655+01:002012-04-29T18:36:29.655+01:00I agree that Side B has the absolute right to defe...I agree that Side B has the absolute right to defend herself against the tirade of vitriol and hate that has been poured on her by Side A but with apparently no justification. <br /><br />Quite why we are talking about it, however, is questionable. I dislike Twitter for the ease with which people usually of goodwill in public face become megalomaniac character assassins online. Why has this rampant Twitter pub brawl now disgraced Dr Shaw's eminent blog? Now, with his Twitter feed on the side bar, he looks less like the peacemaker and more like another bear in the pit because its obvious that he has taken sides. It's absurd.<br /><br />Perhaps these people, if they are genuinely fed up of having their characters demeaned in public could decide not to go on Twitter at all for the good of their souls and the souls others. <br /><br />Gosh, there's a revolutionary thought. <br /><br />No, the answer has to be more complicated than that.<br /><br />Because obviously their worlds would stop if they gave up Twitter.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-56012051567367818332012-04-29T17:48:36.829+01:002012-04-29T17:48:36.829+01:00Well there is a simple solution.
Side A produce w...Well there is a simple solution.<br /><br />Side A produce whatever evidence they believe proves that Side B is guilty, and we can judge for ourselves. <br /><br />Side A refuse to produce evidence and apologise to Side B for all the hurt and upset and agree to drop it.<br /><br />The onus is on those who are making the accusations, they need to prove what they're saying is true or else shut up!<br /><br />Innocent until proven guilty and all of that. Side B has the absolute right to defend herself against the tirade of vitriol and hate that has been poured on her by Side A but with apparently no justification!MissDenninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08850517274612615471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-54439203385878808702012-04-29T17:19:26.501+01:002012-04-29T17:19:26.501+01:00It strikes me that all the parties feel maligned a...It strikes me that all the parties feel maligned and as if their reputations have been publicly lowered or injured in the diabolical fury that is the Twitter feed. Of course, it never stops, it just goes on and on (from what I've seen). I really hope it doesn't go on into eternity.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-16415825365636927062012-04-29T16:54:43.226+01:002012-04-29T16:54:43.226+01:00Perhaps, Joseph, but your own Twitter feed is ther...Perhaps, Joseph, but your own Twitter feed is there for all to see.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-38312212666913716782012-04-29T16:36:40.324+01:002012-04-29T16:36:40.324+01:00It's the way you try to do it that is problema...It's the way you try to do it that is problematic.<br /><br />If someone has done something heinous then there are ways of dealing with that, taking to twitter in a public witch hunt and branding the suspect as a sock-puppet, iggy pop, a psycho, a thug, malevolent, guilty of cyber terrorism etc IS bullying. I've seen her personal appearance, her family life, her pregnancy picked over and ridiculed in such an appalling manner. There are no two ways about it, this is not behaviour becoming of adults, but of playground bullies. I defy anyone to argue otherwise.<br /><br />The fact remains, that if you are to accuse someone of something then you need to provide evidence of such and if you cannot do that then it's no better than lies really is it? It is simply NOT acceptable to continue in the manner that I have seen from the likes of @Otsota and @DolphinMaria on twitter these past few days, you ought to be ashamed of yourselves, you're behaving despicably in my opinion and not like a good Christian person, despite whether you believe otherwise.<br /><br />Until you can prove it to be true, you bullies (and I mean the ones who are spreading viscious rumour and partaking in twitter based libel) are no better than liars.<br /><br />Two wrongs do not make a right and "Justice" is never achieved by reducing someone to a mentally jibbering wreck. Unless of course you're evil and in that case you don't deserve to call yourself a Catholic.MissDenninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08850517274612615471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-31507595403959899302012-04-29T16:27:35.915+01:002012-04-29T16:27:35.915+01:00Lawrence: Paul's artless self-identification t...Lawrence: Paul's artless self-identification took place minutes after this post published. Blame him, not me. <br /><br />I ask again: are these people against cyber-bullying or in favour of it? You can't condemn it in others and then practice it yourself. They are conde,need out of their own mouths.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-77510843232865994352012-04-29T16:05:53.933+01:002012-04-29T16:05:53.933+01:00Meanwhile evil thrives because the good not only d...Meanwhile evil thrives because the good not only do nothing, they condemn and refuse to listen to those trying to do something - I trust in God but cannot stand by while lives, careers & reputations are irrevocably destroyed ; while the Catholic blogosphere and the whole pro-life movement are jeopardised. It'll be too late to wring hands when everything is left in ruinsOn the side of the angelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05558623489507006790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-36729714841296169652012-04-29T15:28:20.128+01:002012-04-29T15:28:20.128+01:00Joseph, it was pretty obvious who you were talking...Joseph, it was pretty obvious who you were talking about, because your Twitter feed in which you condemn Paul is running while you had posted the article.<br /><br />What I've heard about this is sketchy. Your knowledge of it appears to be sketchy also. <br /><br />Therefore, to make a public pronouncement on the guilt of one side while that side are suggesting that what has taken place is very serious indeed seems a little unwise since in defending one, you condemn the other. Not very even-handed.<br /><br />I don't know what the real facts are of this matter. I don't particular wish to see them revealed either. From what I see of Twitter, however, the 'sides' line up against each other fairly evenly and they all seem perfectly able to defend themselves. They seem to spend a lot of time doing that very successfully.<br /><br />I do agree with you, however, that people are crying wolf while behaving like wolves. Some people seem to want to see justice done. If they are really committed Catholics they'll forgive as they've been forgiven and leave the justice bit to God.The Boneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10271719805983763595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-66999091037157757812012-04-29T14:35:33.561+01:002012-04-29T14:35:33.561+01:00I have not blackened your character - I did not ev...I have not blackened your character - I did not even mention you! If you insist the cap fits that is your affair.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.com