tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post3885168699211524164..comments2024-03-26T12:56:54.350+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: Some Comments on the Apostolic Letter Traditionis CustodesLatin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-63648660472968362872021-07-21T13:21:35.286+01:002021-07-21T13:21:35.286+01:00Yes indeed Neil -- and it could well be argued tha...<br />Yes indeed Neil -- and it could well be argued that the different treatment foreseen for priests ordained before or after 16 July 2021 (i.e. their degree of eligibility to celebrate the TLM) raises the possibility that the MP violates the "protected characteristic" of age under the Equality Act 2010.Francishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13769697942265014482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-87899462680520044922021-07-19T23:57:48.498+01:002021-07-19T23:57:48.498+01:00La pandemia ha fatto esplodere la sana informazion...La pandemia ha fatto esplodere la sana informazione a grandissimi strati della popolazione mondiale di tutti e cinque i continenti dell’esistenza e della non abrogazione della Messa cattolica pre innovazioni conciliari sui quali non oso pronunciarmi certo io, che sono alla ricerca della verità e non sono in grado di donarla ad alcuno. Certamente ho professato in modo aperto e leale perchè pubblico il mio compiacimento per la scoperta della libertà di recarmi ad una Messa in latino appena finite le proibizioni alla deambulazione nel mondo reale, sopportando di dover resistere davanti ad un pc. Scoprire di essere stata prevenuta con un Motu Proprio per fermare ogni possibile richiesta al Vescovo è vera e propria persecuzione artata traendo informazioni per rivoltarle contro a chi non tradisce e agisce nell’oscurità. Un massone deve riunirsi in segreto; perchè opera con il male, un cattolico agisce come figlio della Luce davanti agli altri affinchè risplendano le sue opere buone e sante..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-60990691942514168992021-07-19T14:45:04.922+01:002021-07-19T14:45:04.922+01:00I am beginning to see a silver lining to this blac...I am beginning to see a silver lining to this black cloud that has descended on us. With the exception of the Bishop of Clifton, it seems that bishops are saying: Continue as you are doing at present. Some add: at least for the time being.<br /><br />I suspect that in the coming months, congregations at Latin Masses will grow, and bishops will not want to upset the applecart. Even the Bishop of Clifton may feel impelled to eat his words.Et Expectohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04273064434098923960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-37977384539521941732021-07-19T12:27:22.581+01:002021-07-19T12:27:22.581+01:00This Motu Proprio is undoubtedly valid in Catholic...This Motu Proprio is undoubtedly valid in Catholic Canon law but I suspect that several of its provisions could breach Equality Law in the UK and EU. The MP requires Bishops to ensure that those attending the Latin Mass do so outside normal Parish Churches a form of Apartheid or ‘separate but equal’ which is arguably unlawful discrimination on the basis of belief.<br /><br />Also those attending the Traditional Mass are supposed to be questioned re their acceptance of Church teachings and the 2nd Vatican Council something that is not required of any other group in the Catholic Church. Arguably that would constitute unlawful harassment<br /><br />If the British Bishops attempt to enforce this decree fully they could have a nasty legal challenge on their hands. The same would apply within the EU<br /><br />Neil Addison<br />Barrister at Law<br />Author: Religious Discrimination and Hatred Law, Religious Freedom and the LawNeil Addisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489922704972084561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-14140348085651310082021-07-19T10:26:47.582+01:002021-07-19T10:26:47.582+01:00You are entitled to your opinion, and you are also...You are entitled to your opinion, and you are also entitled to call me rude and stupid. I can forgive you for that, but I can never forgive this pope for what he has done.Jonathan Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03955408376728340845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-9942117515874474882021-07-18T10:25:23.651+01:002021-07-18T10:25:23.651+01:00For those who love the Church this action by Pope ...For those who love the Church this action by Pope Francis must be looked at in a positive light. From now on every practising Catholic has to make a decision: either SSPX or the Novus Ordo (or, God forbid, give up religion) The Holy Father has effectively abolished the soggy centre and, as Archbishop Lefebvre once remarked, those who think that they can have their Catholic Tradition coupled with obedience to Modernist Rome will be in for a shock. We cannot anticipate what God's plan is for His Church but this may be seen as a prelude to divine intervention on a massive scale.Joseph Bevanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10641535949657460105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-56357544345445194862021-07-18T08:18:58.799+01:002021-07-18T08:18:58.799+01:00We are not in Rome we are in Britain were referrin...We are not in Rome we are in Britain were referring to someone by their surname is usually regarded as rude<br /> Also the examples you mention have the prefix 'Papa' ie recognising the Papal titleNeil Addisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489922704972084561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-59881160208855690462021-07-17T22:05:36.155+01:002021-07-17T22:05:36.155+01:00In Rome it is the custom to informally refer to po...In Rome it is the custom to informally refer to popes by their surnames: i.e Papa Montini, Woityla, Ratzinger, and Bergoglio. No disrespect in this.John Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00350653469148264557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-39953922959609274792021-07-17T20:39:54.124+01:002021-07-17T20:39:54.124+01:00I dislike people referring to Pope Francis as '...I dislike people referring to Pope Francis as 'Bergoglio' It is rude and it's also stupid, opponents of the Traditional Mass point to remarks like that and say 'see these Traditionalists have no respect for the Pope so no wonder they need to be dealt with'Neil Addisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489922704972084561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-52344150031318238392021-07-17T20:35:08.146+01:002021-07-17T20:35:08.146+01:00I have sympathy with your thoughts about the SSPX ...I have sympathy with your thoughts about the SSPX but I feel that regardless of the overtures made by Pope Benedict this new 'motu proprio' will again drive a wedge between them & the Church.David O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04023042558615821880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-33776678239489991322021-07-17T20:05:28.128+01:002021-07-17T20:05:28.128+01:00It then becomes a game of legal cat and mouse. Pop...It then becomes a game of legal cat and mouse. Pope Francis has to have the 'problem' brought to his attention, then.he has to draft the appropriate legislation then promulgate it, in effect saying 'sorry got the wording wrong last time' It all takes time Neil Addisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489922704972084561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-55675831873012364592021-07-17T18:32:03.043+01:002021-07-17T18:32:03.043+01:00I could not agree more, Neil - but I suspect Bergo...I could not agree more, Neil - but I suspect Bergoglio will extinguish that small glimmer of light as soon as he realises it exists.Jonathan Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03955408376728340845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-13080966206034253472021-07-17T18:29:57.730+01:002021-07-17T18:29:57.730+01:00Well said, David; although from now on I will have...Well said, David; although from now on I will have a problem attending a Novus Ordo Mass. At least the revised translation has given it some semblance of dignity, but how long before Bergoglio and his chums reverse that, too?Jonathan Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03955408376728340845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-27870024039050144142021-07-17T18:23:42.761+01:002021-07-17T18:23:42.761+01:00This is just awful. I have recently seen the blogp...This is just awful. I have recently seen the blogpost from Dom Bede of the Glastonbury Monastery to say that (following the motu propriu and advice from Bishop Lang tomorrow's 12.30 Mass will be the last at St Mary's. I cannot even start to say how utterly devastated I am by this announcement.<br />I converted to Catholicism in my mid-thirties (1992), convinced by the Real Presence and the apostolic succession, but was appalled by the protestantised wishy-washy liturgy so I trundled along in first gear for years, until 2007 and Summorum Pontificum. Having thought that the "Latin Mass" was simply the Novus Ordo mass in Latin (which of course it can be) I was intrigued and went along to a traditional Latin Mass - and discovered why I had converted. Since the, my faith has really taken off - until now.<br />Bergoglio has always made his dislike of tradition known, but I never thought that even he would stoop to this.<br />The SSPX beckons. Just so sad and unnecessary.Jonathan Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03955408376728340845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-12566735463740415672021-07-17T14:32:41.444+01:002021-07-17T14:32:41.444+01:00Sorry to have omitted the capital letter from &quo...Sorry to have omitted the capital letter from "Christ" mea culpa!!David O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04023042558615821880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-8386571691043604192021-07-17T14:31:30.838+01:002021-07-17T14:31:30.838+01:00My problem is with Pope Francis claiming that the ...My problem is with Pope Francis claiming that the omniscient Holy Spirit can give 2 opposite sets of advice to 2 Popes. Pope Francis' claim seems to suggest that the Holy Ghost could not foresee the difficulties caused by the Holy Spirit giving contrasting advice. I, personally, have no problem attending Novus Ordo Mass (without roller skates please) & do so on a weekly basis but I receive deeper help from the traditional Latin Mass on Sundays. God grant us a Pope who will unify our Church rather than try to divide it. As christ said "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against His Church" but humans can make it easier for them. David O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04023042558615821880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-14121652707773036522021-07-16T21:50:57.972+01:002021-07-16T21:50:57.972+01:00The only small glimmer of light I can find is that...The only small glimmer of light I can find is that even thougj the MP stops new Personal Parishes being created for the traditional Mass it doesn't stop Traditional Mass Shrine Churches being created. The ICKSP and FSSP churches in the North West are all tecnically Shrine Churches and the new MP doesn't seem to apply to them and doesn't prevent new Shrines being established in other Diocese<br /><br />That said I'm hopping mad at what Pope Francis has done He has created division where none was needed Summorum Pontificum was achieving what Pope Benedict wanted namely to bring the various wings of the Church together and Pope Francis has kicked that noble aspiration in the teethNeil Addisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00489922704972084561noreply@blogger.com