tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post4000400730792248796..comments2024-03-26T12:56:54.350+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: Forty Days for Life in Bedford SquareLatin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-28505595488217381882012-04-04T10:36:48.802+01:002012-04-04T10:36:48.802+01:00Clearly there are some health 'professionals&#...Clearly there are some health 'professionals' who do think two signatures is bunkum, because they ignore it and break the law by pre-signing the forms without seeing the mother concerned or even looking at the facts of the individual case. Is that how pro-abortionists abide by the democratic law? Negative outcomes? You're saying that a dead baby is not a negative outcome, but a live one is?Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-26169626996910054852012-04-03T17:13:48.414+01:002012-04-03T17:13:48.414+01:00Ignoring the arguments and then claiming there are...Ignoring the arguments and then claiming there aren't any is not a<br />terribly sophisticated approach. We're all for having a debate - there<br />are several dedicated pro-life organisations who do it all the time.<br />Why not go and have a look at their resources?Joseph Shawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-79432129937032826272012-04-03T13:48:57.580+01:002012-04-03T13:48:57.580+01:00If you want to take that tack, we could also for c...If you want to take that tack, we could also for changes in the law that support a increasingly relaxed position on abortion. Perhaps you guys should also be questioning your views on this: for example, look at the health professionals who think the 'two signatories' thing is utter bunkum. Or the steady stream of good quality evidence showing a lack of negative outcomes following abortions when compared with women who gave birth? Will you debate on these topics? Will you risk losing even more ground?<br /><br />Fact is, we are debating these issues, and we're doing it with an evidence base. The anti-abortion side however, is bringing a spoon to a knife fight; you're not offering anything worth debating. And not all evidence is created equal; health professionals have to sort the wheat from the chaff every day.<br /><br />In any case, you're losing the point here. Don't argue that it's about opening a debate when you're campaigning outside clinics. Do your debating away from women who are in distress.Garethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-31804920132574606272012-04-03T12:58:33.265+01:002012-04-03T12:58:33.265+01:00Indeed. You don't hear them using that line wh...Indeed. You don't hear them using that line when they are talking<br />about Ireland or Poland, where they don't like the democratically<br />supported law.Joseph Shawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-66605841603031115482012-04-03T12:45:19.118+01:002012-04-03T12:45:19.118+01:00<span><span>"It's out of orde...<span><span>"It's out of order to protest against democratic law in a country where the population are in favour of it." </span></span><br /><br /><span><span>That's the real giveaway line, isn't it? We must not ever question the laws that govern us. What an admission! What comes shining through from this post and from the attitudes expressed by other pro-abortionists is that, despite the token disclaimers to the contrary, they really don't want a debate, they don't want free speech, or the right to campaign, freely and peacefully for a change in a law (unless they're the ones doing it, of course). So we're not merely faced with a lobby that supports abortion, but one that is campaigning against basic democratic freedoms.<br /></span></span>Jeffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-88616638184045652882012-04-03T10:17:51.058+01:002012-04-03T10:17:51.058+01:00The picture posted above is the real kicker here r...The picture posted above is the real kicker here really. It shows the huge influx of people who turned up at sunset (so, just after 7.30). You can even see who they're supporting: the banners on the left hand side of the picture are pro-choice. So in terms of area alone, there was a dense crowd behind the barrier, and another occupying the space between the 40days crowd and the BPAS front door. Thanks for clearing this up!Garethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-14371861445611799822012-04-02T22:40:03.377+01:002012-04-02T22:40:03.377+01:00I've attached a nice picture from Twitter for ...I've attached a nice picture from Twitter for you, Joseph; as you can see, from TottenhamCourt Road being in the background, you appear to be almost surrounded. <br /><br />Incidentally, I just had a look at the Fitzrovia News, they also agree with us - I understand you think the Guardian and BBC etc are all lefty gits with some kind of pro-choice agenda, but what possible agenda could they have? Here you go, I'll save you the trouble of looking for it with your failing eyes. Enjoy!<br /><br /><a href="http://news.fitzrovia.org.uk/2012/03/30/pro-choice-protesters-outnumber-attendees-at-prayer-vigil-in-bedford-square/#more-5852" rel="nofollow">http://news.fitzrovia.org.uk/2012/03/30/pro-choice-protesters-outnumber-attendees-at-prayer-vigil-in-bedford-square/#more-5852</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-54046889301022638342012-04-02T21:14:08.400+01:002012-04-02T21:14:08.400+01:00Perhaps you should think about a trip to the optic...Perhaps you should think about a trip to the opticians, rather than relying on the power of prayer, Joseph, it's obviously not working. I was at the front of the protest then, later on, we moved around to our right side; the police were fine with this - in fact there is probably footage of people to the front of your lot. Nice that you've now pretty much admitted your pics were taken before the sun went down - way to win an argument. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-88746447060793450202012-04-02T20:07:55.266+01:002012-04-02T20:07:55.266+01:00No, I checked, on my options it is visible not hid...No, I checked, on my options it is visible not hidden to the public. Try the link at the top of the updated post.Joseph Shawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-62700092403988273442012-04-02T18:18:46.872+01:002012-04-02T18:18:46.872+01:00Joseph, you can probably see the Exim data because...Joseph, you can probably see the Exim data because they're your photos, but the rest of us can't. However I'm happy to believe that the daylight ones were taken between about 19:10 and 19:30.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-86994905799484934742012-04-02T18:01:48.092+01:002012-04-02T18:01:48.092+01:00I'm sorry, you are not going to convince that ...I'm sorry, you are not going to convince that I'm blind. I was there.<br />I walked right round both groups. You can see the photos for yourself.<br />The police weren't letting anyone hang around on the road to our left.<br />Wake up and smell the coffee - you've been rumbled.Joseph Shawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-64743258523517031142012-04-02T17:59:26.149+01:002012-04-02T17:59:26.149+01:00You should be able to click on the Exim data. The ...You should be able to click on the Exim data. The first was taken at<br />7.10. The last was taken with a flash, because, yes, it was dark...Joseph Shawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-61108496844806156222012-04-02T17:56:52.885+01:002012-04-02T17:56:52.885+01:00It is not hidden.It is not hidden.Joseph Shawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-50414436008690761882012-04-02T15:36:12.969+01:002012-04-02T15:36:12.969+01:00What position does God take on liars, again? Just ...What position does God take on liars, again? Just wondering, like.Jamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-41553089514346254362012-04-02T15:34:29.397+01:002012-04-02T15:34:29.397+01:00Er, I meant Exif, not Exim, as I'm sure you...Er, I meant Exif, not Exim, as I'm sure you're all about to tell me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-45610854169153155652012-04-02T15:29:37.313+01:002012-04-02T15:29:37.313+01:00Yes, Wolfram Alpha says sunset was 19:34, and the ...Yes, Wolfram Alpha says sunset was 19:34, and the sun doesn't look like it's setting yet in those photos.<br /><a href="http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sunset+march+31+london" rel="nofollow">http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sunset+march+31+london</a><br /><br />How about enabling the Exim data on your Flickr stream, Joseph?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-34215332620745270722012-04-02T15:22:08.994+01:002012-04-02T15:22:08.994+01:00This is such a bizarre blog post (not to mention i...This is such a bizarre blog post (not to mention incredibly defensive). The anti-choice lobby obviously have no real arguments and as such have to resort to fabricating myths about what was actually a very successful pro-choice demo. Our side easily outnumbered the 40DFL camp, especially when Critical Mass showed up to support us. But that's irrelevant really, the most interesting part of this is <i>'It was also very noticable that they had put the most photogenic, female members of their group in the front row, facing us, for the cameras.' </i><br />Seriously? <br />Firstly, yes, we have the support of a lot of young women because unsurprisingly, as owners of wombs, this shit matters to us. But anyway, those at the front were those who got there first. No priority was given to the good-looking protestors and the suggestion is hilarious. Also, anyone there will have noticed that 40DFL had stationed a heavily pregnant woman and a load of children at the front of their crowd and I'm guessing THAT was no coincidence... <br />Other points of contension with this article:<br />- how on earth do you pronounce 'stop harrassing women' in an American way?<br />- two pro-choicers infilatrating the anti-choice side counts as 'intimidation'? So hundreds of misogynists outside an abortion clinic is... ?<br />- you were not 'praying quietly'. You made sure everyone could hear just how self-righteous you all are. Also, there were several occassions on which anti-choicers infiltrated our protest. On one occassion a woman with a rosary even grabbed a member of the crowd and had to be removed by police.Guestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-59571090797188156272012-04-02T15:20:46.209+01:002012-04-02T15:20:46.209+01:00Your flickr page is not giving the times at which ...Your flickr page is not giving the times at which these were taken, Joseph. They're definitely from before 19.30, as that's when sunset was on this day.Garethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-22820597633489866592012-04-02T15:12:59.628+01:002012-04-02T15:12:59.628+01:00Joseph, at the highpoint we stretched back all the...Joseph, at the highpoint we stretched back all the way to Gower Road, and were beginning to encircle you on the left-hand side as well. I'm all for you having a point of view - and airing it - but surely, even you can recognise you are in the wrong? There's no shame in admitting it either. Tell you what, why don't you contact the local police and ask them, then write on your blog what answer you get - verbatim.Fletchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-19352504652231681792012-04-02T14:59:25.714+01:002012-04-02T14:59:25.714+01:00Look at my Flickr set. It give the time the photos...Look at my Flickr set. It give the time the photos were taken. I didn't arrive until after 7pm.<br />It would have been physically impossible for you to get more people into the space you occupied than we had in the space we covered. Look at the photos.Joseph Shawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-59463760807935984002012-04-02T14:59:17.045+01:002012-04-02T14:59:17.045+01:00Well, 'Rosie', either my readers can belie...Well, 'Rosie', either my readers can believe you, or they can believe their eyes...Joseph Shawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-51301514288690762132012-04-02T14:59:08.631+01:002012-04-02T14:59:08.631+01:00Thank you Joseph. It is thanks to your witness th...Thank you Joseph. It is thanks to your witness that the truth is sown.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-40296340488135306082012-04-02T14:50:47.225+01:002012-04-02T14:50:47.225+01:00Oh dear, nice try Joseph. Why are you so afraid of...Oh dear, nice try Joseph. Why are you so afraid of people knowing the truth that you post something so blatantly misleading? Here is what actually happened:<br /><br />The anti-choice side began their assembly much earlier. The pro-choice protest was scheduled to begin at 7:00pm. My friend and I arrived at about 7:15pm, and as we're not in these pictures, they must've been taken before 7:15pm. The pro-choice side reached maximum capacity at about 8:30pm, when it was at least three times the size of the anti-choice side. These pictures were taken just as the pro-choice protest was getting going, and even then the two groups look about the same size.Alicenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-55540436810138654462012-04-02T14:48:18.974+01:002012-04-02T14:48:18.974+01:00<span>Another really important point was th...<span>Another really important point was the density of the two crowds. Not only was the counter protest larger in area, it was also heaving with people. One reason for this was the barrier; the focus of the counter-protest was toward the 40days crowd, and there was a guard-rail facing them. In contrast, the 40days crowd was a loose knit group. This is evidenced by the post above: indeed, they were able to kneel as a group on a regular basis. Have you ever been in a tight crowd, perhaps at a music event? If everyone in that crowd tried to kneel at once there would be chaos, and probably some injuries. You need space to do that, and the 40days crowd most certainly had it.</span>Garethnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-26683968511502027492012-04-02T14:45:31.410+01:002012-04-02T14:45:31.410+01:00Yeah, faith meaning the chance to ram your moralit...Yeah, faith meaning the chance to ram your morality down vulnerable people's throats. How's those church attendances coming on?Sinoreply@blogger.com