tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post5363404539267737545..comments2024-03-26T12:56:54.350+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: FIUV 'fundamentalist'?Latin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-75548920145418498382015-04-18T12:39:32.658+01:002015-04-18T12:39:32.658+01:00I'm not accusing anyone of being a Nazi in thi...I'm not accusing anyone of being a Nazi in this post.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-10423671151717991472015-04-14T18:23:07.952+01:002015-04-14T18:23:07.952+01:00But the immemorial teaching of the Church can'...<i>But the immemorial teaching of the Church can't be wrong, so the claim amounts to saying that the reformed Mass teaches error.</i><br /><br />But there is also possible the inverse conclusion: That the Traditional Roman Rite taught error, and that it is the reformed RR which teaches a correct doctrine. Which is, quite frankly, not far off what many Church progressive really believe. <br /><br />This even more dangerous* conclusion is often covered by a theological dodge, mustering some Rahnerian language about how doctrine and practices are heavily conditioned by culture and constantly develop. But fundamentally, Loftus and his really do think that the Roman Rite going back to Late Antiquity was a badly flawed mode of worship. <br /><br />* "Even more dangerous" because there is never a satisfactory answer to the question: "If the Church has been getting its central act of worship, and its very ecclesiology, so badly wrong for most of its history, why should what you're saying it's teaching now be trusted as getting it right?"Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-24720458167716644062015-04-14T15:00:35.209+01:002015-04-14T15:00:35.209+01:00Careful Joseph! I am reminded in these discussion...Careful Joseph! I am reminded in these discussions of Godwin's Law, that as any discussion progresses the probability of the Nazi's being mentioned increases.<br /><br />We need an amendment to cover the increasing probability of the terms fanatic, fundamentalist and extremist being used against ordinary bog-standard Catholics such as myself only interested in continuing to practise the Faith as my ancestors have done for the past sixteen hundred years. <br />Bugninni was right in saying those who wished to retain the Old Mass have a different ecclesiology. Or rather, he should have said that those who pursue the New Mass, have.<br /><br />I occasionally manage a Usus Antiquior, the Mass of my childhood and youth. The difference is extraordinary. They can't both be ecclesiastically right, (as opposed to valid, a different matter).<br /><br />Fortunately with the, admittedly, very few new young priests, I see a return via the “Reform of the Reform” to the realisation that the old “ecclesiology” must not only be maintained but must be expressed liturgically in the way it has been for centuries.<br /><br />I have said elsewhere that curiously enough the crisis in the number of priests will probably hold the solution.<br /><br />The Church will slowly swing back to the Mass of Ages. But it will be a tempestuous journey! Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-2931887503252194922015-04-14T12:27:47.207+01:002015-04-14T12:27:47.207+01:00Joseph Shaw would not say that all need to formall...Joseph Shaw would not say that all need to formally enter the Church for salvation in Britain. This would be the old ecclesiology.Instead he would say that there are exceptions. This is the new ecclesiology<br />http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/joseph-shaw-would-not-say-that-all-need.htmlCatholic Missionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06025127342963192930noreply@blogger.com