tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post5925242142547182514..comments2024-03-26T12:56:54.350+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: Hypocrisy and fallacy over censorshipLatin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-44407517969944413662015-01-15T15:23:11.618+00:002015-01-15T15:23:11.618+00:00No, it doesn't seem strange at all.
Sorry to ...No, it doesn't seem strange at all. <br />Sorry to disagree but I do. <br /><br />Christians, particularly in the persons of the leadership of the Catholic and Anglican churches in the UK at least are bowing and scraping to the state for whatever reason and the state is walking over us. <br />Just like any situation where you have a weak child and a school bully. The churches are offering their biscuits to the government who is taking the whole lunch. <br />A very pathetic campaign against "Gay Marriage" is the best the Church has come up with. You refer to Christians being chastised, or worse, for daring to wear a Crucifix. Where was the Church in supporting them? <br />Yesterday my son came home from (Catholic) school having learned that the worst thing about China's one child policy is that children have less confidence at school because they don't have any siblings there. <br /><br />richardhjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03995396235514536115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-85013785615086383802015-01-13T19:20:33.817+00:002015-01-13T19:20:33.817+00:00Putting limits on free speech is a complex subject...Putting limits on free speech is a complex subject but it is astonishing that Edith Cresson (former Prime Minister of France) should think that there is an absolute right to free speech without limits - particularly coming from a country where philosophy is held in higher respect than in the UK. <br /><br />There are three levels of limits or sanctions in respect of free speech:<br /><br />1. A purely moral one where perhaps the sanction is to have what is said refuted and the person perhaps ostracized from some social activity. I would have thought this was where Charlie B lies.<br /><br />2. Remedies in the Civil Law. The law of defamation in awarding damages to those defamed is supposed to have been introduced to provide an alternative remedy to challenging someone to a duel. There is also the law of confidentially where the civil law can intervene to stop or punish the revelation of confidential information in some circumstances.<br /><br />3. Then there is the Criminal Law to stop extreme abuse of the freedom which can result in serious breaches of the peace. Again the Official Secrets Act imposes criminal sanctions for breaking confidentiality.<br /><br />Thus it is not necessary to jump straight to the Criminal Law to deal with blasphemy of the kind perpetrated by Charlie H.<br /><br />There was an excellent Panorama program on the BBC on Monday night. Several moderate Muslims were interviewed and they all said the danger was the growth of a NON-VIOLENT extremist version of Islam which was spreading in the UK. Another label was Puritanical Islamism. In the words of one this is taking Muslims by the hand and leading them right up to the front door. Such as ISIS then open that front door and take them into violent extremism.<br /><br />There was a clip of Mrs May saying she wanted to have new legislation that would sanction such speech which while not sanctioning violence in the UK remained just short of current law. Personally I have great difficulty in knowing how you could draft a law which sanctioned speech which stopped short of advocating criminal acts. Such laws tend to end up being used against quite different targets from what the legislators intended. But above all this emphasises the contradiction between what was being celebrated in Paris - total freedom of speech - and approved by many in this country including our politicians and the proposal to sanction the propaganda put out by non-violent Islamic extremists.<br /><br />It was interesting though to see Muslims who seemed to have a better grasp of the problems than those from whom we have heard so much in the past week.<br /><br />I have always thought that one of the greatest errors of our age is to believe that one create a perfect society through legislation alone - in general you end up trying to treat the symptoms but never the causes.Nicolas Bellordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08063019108964247676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-67444343870383026982015-01-13T16:56:15.207+00:002015-01-13T16:56:15.207+00:00Morals are not determined by consensus, they are e...Morals are not determined by consensus, they are either revealed by God or discovered by right reason reflecting rightly on the creation He made, the order He established in it by nature. Only a state which accepts both can establish consistently just laws, on speech-rights or anything else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-42161891986898544612015-01-12T22:13:29.934+00:002015-01-12T22:13:29.934+00:00A good article Mr Chairman.
Western democracies d...A good article Mr Chairman.<br /><br />Western democracies defend a right of free expression, but within limits. It is a question of deciding where those limits are. Gratuitously insulting Catholicism, as in the recent cartoons, or Islam, is wrong and must be restricted by law. This also applies to individuals i.e., homosexuals etc. It is almost certainly already dealt with in French and British law already.<br /><br />Equally, people must be allowed within such limits to express considered views i.e. that Islam is a heresy, the product of a disordered mind and in application, is inherently evil. Or, that there is undue homosexual influence within the Catholic bishopric and that a homosexual “mafia “exists in the in the Vatican, and that active homosexuality is intrinsically wrong and against Catholic teaching.<br /><br />The murder of the French cartoonists was not a blow against freedom of expression it was punishment for offending Islam. What the murderers did was permissible within Islamic law (if not French civil law), and may well earn them rewards in their heaven.<br /><br />Until we all, Catholic and Secularist alike, understand this, we cannot begin to cope with the problem, which incidentally is only just beginning. <br /><br />By the way I noticed that even dear old ultra cautious (or frightened) Auntie Beeb, reported openly on Islamic atrocities in Pakistan and Nigeria today!<br /><br />Now when can we get back to the restoration of the Catholic Mass as the norm in these Isles?<br /><br />Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-17136778854081986322015-01-12T12:47:40.909+00:002015-01-12T12:47:40.909+00:00Doesn't it seem strange that protection agains...Doesn't it seem strange that protection against offence always seems to benefit the Muslims? We have seen Christians chastised for wearing a crucifix (or even a cross) whereas Muslims are allowed to wear burkhas & hijabs which (in 1 case) allowed the murderer of a policewoman to leave the country dressed as a woman.<br />If censorship of any kind is introduced then it MUST be applied fairly across the nation.<br />Christians can (& are) being offended by such cartoons as those published in Charlie but we either turn the other cheek or don't buy the magazine. We don't resort to murder especially when some of those killed had no connection with the offenders.<br />Perhaps we should resort more frequently to the prayer to St Michael such as is prayed after every EF Low Mass David O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04023042558615821880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-64507220563778807442015-01-12T12:03:40.747+00:002015-01-12T12:03:40.747+00:00Lack of coherence in the system is not only the re...Lack of coherence in the system is not only the result of inconsistency in public discourse, but a reflection of the fragmentation of culture and thought in society. In the circumstances it is difficult to get censorship right. Far better to address the issues you raise by a reluctance to use the law to limit free speech, and a willingness to use it to establish protection in the workplace for those who exercise it in a responsible manner. Law and regulation are a necessary evil which we do well to limit, especially in the heat of the moment.IanWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14802289720095323373noreply@blogger.com