tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post6759976942615022323..comments2024-03-26T12:56:54.350+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: To understand ISIS, look at AnglicanismLatin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-29801707073508390412014-10-23T13:36:32.952+01:002014-10-23T13:36:32.952+01:00Simon: Neither are irrational ones. pjl_u2 What o...Simon: Neither are irrational ones. pjl_u2 What on earth are you on?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08302821233062175627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-35234071122838305302014-08-15T19:02:37.971+01:002014-08-15T19:02:37.971+01:00A little history lesson for you.
The Spanish Inqu...A little history lesson for you.<br /><br />The Spanish Inquisition, though tragic, ended up killing around 4,000 people which Protestants are so happy to bring about in talks all the time.<br /><br />One key thing to note, the Spanish monarchy went AGAINST the pope and the magisterium. They took it upon themselves to force Catholicism on others. And this is not proper.<br /><br />And here is what Protestants never talk about. The witch hunts that occurred around the same time. Countries that were becoming Protestant were growing hysterical by blaming women for being witches. Over 60,000 men and women were killed which is 15 times as many during the Spanish Inquisition. (I often wonder if the Spanish Armada did not really lose do to their disobedience to the Holy Father).<br /><br />There was not one person who died at the hands of Catholicism for being a "witch" or "warlock".<br /><br />So, is this Protestant's finest hour? Probably not. It was the killing of all the nuns and priests during the French Revolution.<br /><br />In one regard, atheists are Protestant too, for they completely reject the idea that God exists which rejects Catholic teaching just like Protestants reject the majority of Catholic teaching but just to the extent of Atheists.Darren Szwajkowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09411519621069090632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-48528414335271594192014-08-15T19:01:00.795+01:002014-08-15T19:01:00.795+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Darren Szwajkowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09411519621069090632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-37439813716367877702014-08-14T15:25:58.211+01:002014-08-14T15:25:58.211+01:00I didn't quite follow that. Could you elaborat...I didn't quite follow that. Could you elaborate? Of course, Islam is violent in its inception - or, at least, from its very early days - and Christianity is not - or, at least, should not be. But it can't honestly be denied that Anglicanism was also imposed through violence.<br /><br />This not to deny fault on the part of catholics, or to impute a particular evil to protestants. Those were violent times - for example, the punishment of hanging, drawing, and quartering, at least, pre-dates the Tudors by several centuries (although I think crushing might have been new, then - was St Margaret Clitherow the only martyr to suffer thus?).Simon Platthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196039882299400327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-88342678115957089792014-08-14T15:07:33.819+01:002014-08-14T15:07:33.819+01:00If I may engage with the content of the original p...If I may engage with the content of the original post - and perhaps encourage a response in the future posts we have been promised and to which I look forward:<br /><br />I think that the English iconoclasm of the 16th century began with the destruction of shrines and, like the dissolution, was motivated more by greed and envy than by any kind of religion, however misguided.<br /><br />(But perhaps that, too, is the case with ISIS. I think of the hatred and lust - for power and for "war booty" - evident in the videos and news reports one sees about ISIS and at least some of their coreligionists in this country as elsewhere.)Simon Platthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196039882299400327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-22851148886522891942014-08-14T13:17:29.323+01:002014-08-14T13:17:29.323+01:00First of all, teaching logic and debate for years ...First of all, teaching logic and debate for years at the university level, I must point out a faulty comparison. Muslims are not Christians and have a religion, which from the very beginnings, and in the Koran and hadith (I have also taught a course on Islam three times at the university level), violence is a core teaching.<br /><br />The laws of England in the Protestant Revolt were horrific and inhuman. To disembowel, kill by pressing or whatever, are horrific crimes against humanity, as is torture. But, the two, Islam and Anglicanism cannot be compared.<br /><br />The problem is the nature of evil. If you want to write about the persecution of Christians from day one, good. There is a long history of martyrdom. But, I would not compare nations, no matter how evil in law, who killed martyrs to be rid of so-called heretics, such as the empires of Japan and Rome, with Islam.<br /><br />Faulty comparison, although the evil and violence may seem the same at first glance.<br /><br />Secondly, how does this article help the discussion regarding the growing world-wide hatred of Catholic and other Christian denominations? The only way to combat this is in a two-pronged approach of evangelizing the world with the Truth of Catholicism, and personal holiness.Supertradmumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07829935047036023159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-55761956419114282172014-08-14T09:35:40.970+01:002014-08-14T09:35:40.970+01:00Cheer up Rev! The BBC thinks your perfect, all the...Cheer up Rev! The BBC thinks your perfect, all the bad things are done by us Catholics – Cornish Catholics were never massacred for refusing to accept the Book of Common Prayer, the bishop of Truro did not give a half-hearted apology for the hanging of fully vested Catholic priests from their West Country steeples and the Anglican Church did not steal property and churches from English Catholics. And Anglicans were not responsible for the 600,000 killed as a result of Cromwell’s invasion of Ireland – that was done by the ‘Puritans’. So how can any comparison with ISIS be possible?Catholic cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09604560997245115948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-91893311285562173082014-08-13T22:59:58.022+01:002014-08-13T22:59:58.022+01:00I've followed this thread with some interest. ...I've followed this thread with some interest. I'm not sure that I entirely agree with the original post but the parallels interest me. I think they have some merit. I'm sorry that the standard of comments is not higher. In particular, critical comments have hardly gone any further than "tu quoque" and complaints of offended sensibilities. That's a shame. Is there nothing more?<br /><br />On the other hand, some of the "supportive" comments ... well, words fail me.Simon Platthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16196039882299400327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-49610942773872820212014-08-13T22:23:35.109+01:002014-08-13T22:23:35.109+01:00Dear Queen of puddings (love the name). Of course...Dear Queen of puddings (love the name). Of course one can mention it, here in NZ it's more the conflict between Maori and Pakeha's (European's) which incited conflict. Dialogue, apologies and working out a way to work alongside each other is of great value. As for understanding what is going on in Iraq I believe this is the furtherest fetched part of the post, if one is truly interested in the apologetics behind Islam and its belief the book "Seeking Allah Finding Jesus" will provide a little more insight than comparing the ISIS with Anglican's.<br /><br />BlessingsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-21001127977230454402014-08-13T22:11:55.891+01:002014-08-13T22:11:55.891+01:00No T-C not just confess Jesus is Lord but believe ...No T-C not just confess Jesus is Lord but believe in your heart also. I am not ignorant of the verse 'faith without works is dead' even though growing up protestant. I do, however, believe one must first believe and good works grow out of this belief. Belief does not grow out of good works any more than salvation does.<br /><br />Neither am I ignorant of history, but I do believe David O'Neill has done a good job of summing up in a 'reasonable' and balanced way the points of this argument. As I do not hold a Japanese individual responsible for the death of my relative during World War Two, neither do I hold a German born now responsible for the holocaust. We can learn from history but as for holding people now responsible for a past they had no part in?<br /><br />In respect to truth an error. You say a lot about this but little about the error you believe protestants to uphold or the truth so prevalent in the Catholic Church but not in other churches. I have to admit stemming as I have in my tradition of faith from the COE I would be a little foolish if I were to hold as a great source of pride the fact that my tradition first began because Henry VIII wanted a divorce : ) ... This aside I do belong to a tradition but I follow Jesus and have faith in Him, I do not worship the history of my church but The Lord of my Faith. And here I think is where we differ. You appear to hold fast to history to the extent of using it as a measure of truth.<br /><br />As for reason and art. Actually I am fond of both, and I go to an Anglican Church, oh my gosh how can it be? Seek understanding, wisdom is more valuable than rubies. I believe in some of what Martin Luther taught theologically and disagree with other parts, I think you would find the teachings of Anglican churches do likewise. <br /><br />We obviously do worship different Lord's. For my Lord would not condone coercion (such as a promise of a place in heaven) because he knew He is the Truth and thought others needed to oblige. Actually He went to His death forsaking all power/force/coercion for the sake of love which is a far greater force. I also do not see other Christian denomination's as other faiths I see them all as proponents of the gospel and my brothers and sisters. <br /><br />They will know you are my disciples by your love, one for another. Hence, I celebrate when we have a wedding downunder taken by an Anglican Priest and Catholic Father, I celebrate when all churches come together in my region to celebrate Good Friday, I celebrate when the churches in my area all co-operate to run the local foodbank, and I thank God I attending for ten years an Anglican Church (sorry about that) made up of people who came from Baptist, Pentecostal, Catholic, and Anglican backgrounds and we could all worship together in unity.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-35991468378206953842014-08-13T20:11:37.924+01:002014-08-13T20:11:37.924+01:00You are hereby commanded to remove your Blasphemou...You are hereby commanded to remove your Blasphemous photo. Your comments concerning the Crusades are the proof of your Blasphemy. St-Louis IX of France is tired of frauds such as you dressing to insult his Majestic memory. pjl_u2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13400085795295743434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-34951814404594254042014-08-13T20:07:23.770+01:002014-08-13T20:07:23.770+01:00It's sad that some let the Truth hurt them rat...It's sad that some let the Truth hurt them rather than they repenting and returning to The Flock. pjl_u2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13400085795295743434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-29452344833500399812014-08-13T20:06:13.071+01:002014-08-13T20:06:13.071+01:00you are not a Church but rather a wing of the syna...you are not a Church but rather a wing of the synagogue of satanpjl_u2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13400085795295743434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-6533454420052066472014-08-13T20:04:42.882+01:002014-08-13T20:04:42.882+01:00David O'Neill is Anathema!David O'Neill is Anathema!pjl_u2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13400085795295743434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-47377013473047658112014-08-13T20:03:29.036+01:002014-08-13T20:03:29.036+01:00Indeed anthony howe, the timing of YOUR post is in...Indeed anthony howe, the timing of YOUR post is indeed of poor taste and wrong on every level with the exception of what James warned of. James 3:14-16pjl_u2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13400085795295743434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-42856628744619641092014-08-13T19:58:16.733+01:002014-08-13T19:58:16.733+01:00William Cobbett had his opinion on the matter as h...William Cobbett had his opinion on the matter as he had stated;<br />"The Reformation was a devastation of England which was at the time when this event took place, the Happiest country, perhaps, that the world had ever seen; but Afterwards marched on Plundering, Devastating, & inflicting torments on the people, shedding their innocent blood;"<br />"Abbeys, priories, Nunneries, Hospitals & other religious foundations confiscated by the Reformers and Jews, who brought to England the misery of pauperism through Usury" <br /><br /> Where the author of this Blog states; "Anglicanism produces over time a cultural elite who don't take it very seriously.", it is qeii's eldest, charles (neo-pagan cabala tree monkey) windsor that confirms such in his owns words; (well worth the listen for confirmation)<br />http://www.sacredweb.com/conference06/conference_introduction_video.html<br /><br /> As such, the link between mini-isis(durka durka jiiiiihawd) and ISIS(http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/the-cult-of-isis-1.41131) is further confirmed with the sudden concern demonstrated by the rothschild's useful idiots(aka zionist leaning demoncratic govs of the proverbial *west*) as mini-isis approaches Kurdistan. A concern unheard of as Christians(note Catholics) were persecuted in the region.<br /> http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml<br /><br />The person masquerading as "acts" is in fact Anathema.<br /> pjl_u2https://www.blogger.com/profile/13400085795295743434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-45281613318435507762014-08-13T18:27:42.952+01:002014-08-13T18:27:42.952+01:00Actually Mr O’Neill the Crusades where only called...Actually Mr O’Neill the Crusades where only called after two thirds of the Christian world was conquered by the Islamic sword, In 1095 Western Christendom had to either make a stand or be subsumed as North African, Iberia and Eastern Christendom had been. It’s about time ‘Christians’ started to really understand their history before attacking Catholics and you should be very grateful to Catholics for saving Europe. Know your history first please, Oh I forgot most get their knowledge of history from the BBC – enough said. <br /><br />My Cornish Catholic ancestors were virtually wiped out during the Western Rising just because they wanted the Mass in Latin.<br />Clear Vision Catholicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14756668860953879342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-71734835826714711322014-08-13T15:23:17.616+01:002014-08-13T15:23:17.616+01:00The comments on this thread is PROOF that ecumenis...The comments on this thread is PROOF that ecumenism is a failure. It is apparent that most Catholic posters and non-Catholic posters seem to have subscribed to some form of religious indifferentism or some modernist concept of Christianity.<br /><br />When they are for the first time told that the non-Catholic Christian faiths are actually based on some erroneous foundation and their past deeds are brought to light, they go ballistic. <br /><br />Our Church hierarchy needs to understand this and end this pointless ecumenism and "dialogue" nonsense. T-C-https://www.blogger.com/profile/08263638091427859851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-38044328176938734362014-08-13T15:17:21.291+01:002014-08-13T15:17:21.291+01:00Well what about Smithfield? The fires of Smiithfie...Well what about Smithfield? The fires of Smiithfield continued to burn long after Mary had died, in fact they burnt into the early Eighteenth Century. Many of the Protestants burnt under Mary were guilty of treason in any case and merited hanging, drawing and quartering, a far worse fate than burning (which was effectively death by asphyxiation from smoke inhalation in most executions). Catholics of course were condemned for treason (spuriously, since when was hearing or saying Mass treasonous?).Gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07537123281964278798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-15725784594321198702014-08-13T15:06:34.906+01:002014-08-13T15:06:34.906+01:00I think in nowadays, TRUTH is bigotry. There is no...I think in nowadays, TRUTH is bigotry. There is nothing bigoted than telling the TRUTH as it is. We need more people like Dr. Shaw in our Church hierarchy. T-C-https://www.blogger.com/profile/08263638091427859851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-50376884421677831612014-08-13T15:05:15.921+01:002014-08-13T15:05:15.921+01:00arowhenua,
Your assertion that at the time of the...arowhenua,<br /><br />Your assertion that at the time of the Apostles, one only had to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord is a historical error, not to mention the logical difficulties of it given the content in the new testament scripture itself. But I suppose you will then propose that the New Testament documents were written much later from the original Apostles? In any case, I believe you need to take a look at the historical scholarship in this area. <br /><br />Heresy, is flung at those who hold to heresy. Protestants can't charge Catholics with heresy because that is just their personal interpretation and based on a belief system that cannot be supported by reason. Unless one thinks reason is a whore, any sensible person understands that a person who holds an arbitrary flavor of belief calling another a heretic is baseless. Catholics on the other hand have a basis to their faith grounded in reason and history.<br /><br />While moral corruption did start from the fall, there have always been human projects that have furthered the cause among believers. Protestantism is one such project. <br /><br />Now finally regarding your Buddhist friend, God can work through INDIVIDUALS in ANY FAITH!!! That does not justify their faith itself as valid to be held. Anglicanism is an error that leads people away from the truth. But certain individuals in it can be used to bring other who are very far away at least somewhat closer to the truth. Your Buddhist friend is closer to Christ than he used to be but we must pray that he will one day become Catholic.<br /><br />As for the Catholic youth you met, it makes me happy to hear that there are young folks like that still around.T-C-https://www.blogger.com/profile/08263638091427859851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-41350085486846573952014-08-13T14:36:07.096+01:002014-08-13T14:36:07.096+01:00"You've heard about the efforts at reconc..."You've heard about the efforts at reconciliation that Pope Francis and ABC Justin are making?"<br /><br />What reconciliation is possible, given the incoherent theological premises of the Anglican Communion? Are they going to stop ordaining women? When even an ecumaniac like Cardinal Kasper is on the brink of giving up, one really does have to wonder what purpose ARCIC serves (if it ever did).Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-82091640904475133702014-08-13T14:21:05.096+01:002014-08-13T14:21:05.096+01:00Of course, "systematic extortion and repressi...Of course, "systematic extortion and repression" in most eras can have been, and quite possibly were, learned from Rome:<br /><br />http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2014/08/historical-roman-catholicism-is-cradle.htmlJohn Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-25842568105917267782014-08-13T13:49:22.698+01:002014-08-13T13:49:22.698+01:00Hopefully Dr Shaw will elaborate when he returns f...Hopefully Dr Shaw will elaborate when he returns from Papa Stronsay later this week. Until then I see no point in addressing the matter further.David O'Neillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04023042558615821880noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-32228115330866959832014-08-13T13:36:24.490+01:002014-08-13T13:36:24.490+01:00Where is the venom? Where is the bigotry? I'd ...Where is the venom? Where is the bigotry? I'd really appreciate it if someone could point it out in the post, because I can't find it.Queen of Puddingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11153204516517758449noreply@blogger.com