tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post8371566338756954753..comments2024-03-14T06:43:39.590+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: The worst survey in the worldLatin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-9028036386645043002013-12-02T22:16:51.037+00:002013-12-02T22:16:51.037+00:00A very accurate critique! It emphasizes the chasm...A very accurate critique! It emphasizes the chasm between the clegy and the layperson. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00281156240515424894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-25296236108238229432013-12-02T20:11:17.558+00:002013-12-02T20:11:17.558+00:00Amen! As I worked through it, all I could think w...Amen! As I worked through it, all I could think was that I was probably just wasting my time … will anyone really read my responses much less be able to take my answers into account? How will they quantify so many qualitative responses?Pattihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05478074656941410427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-78551062182547012322013-11-29T22:23:08.583+00:002013-11-29T22:23:08.583+00:00Thank you for such an accurate critique of this ri...Thank you for such an accurate critique of this ridiculous survey. I couldn't have put it better (or anywhere near as well!) myself.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11428517195225881756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-7953532321891887062013-11-20T10:31:38.992+00:002013-11-20T10:31:38.992+00:00So it's a survey that was intended to provided...So it's a survey that was intended to provided the answers considered correct, by those correctly placed to answer? Rather than a meaningful attempt to communicate with lay people. <br /><br />At the beginning of the survey it clearly states that lay people are included.Elliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10811043705085959688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-36404469013959723352013-11-08T20:07:20.099+00:002013-11-08T20:07:20.099+00:00I disagree with the criticisms. The survey is clea...I disagree with the criticisms. The survey is clearly designed for those with pastoral knowledge and experience (bishops, priests, possibly catechists). It was sent to our bishops, they have published it - ok it's useful for information. As an individual laymen, I can't answer any of the questions - so what? I don't see any reason to feel aggrieved unless it is from a misunderstanding of its purpose or a sense of amour propre. I am rather relieved that it does not allow an opportunity for the expression of personal opinions - how tiresome it would be to give vocal dissenting lobbies a channel for their energies.RJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13871618901190898384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-8682893234304173142013-11-08T19:58:03.956+00:002013-11-08T19:58:03.956+00:00Terrible. A mixture of loaded questions and rather...Terrible. A mixture of loaded questions and rather dubious theological assumptions.RJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13871618901190898384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-40137111566994787502013-11-08T06:58:19.839+00:002013-11-08T06:58:19.839+00:00At the beginning you select from a drop-down list ...At the beginning you select from a drop-down list to indicate whether you are a bishop, priest. Or layman etc..Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-42690997580739472332013-11-07T23:42:31.735+00:002013-11-07T23:42:31.735+00:00There is no mention that the questionnaire is for ...There is no mention that the questionnaire is for laypeople, unless I have missed something? 'Parishes and deaneries' Presumably this means deaneries in terms of priests of particular deaneries discussing it. I'm at a loss as to what is meant by 'Parishes'; but the Church usually states 'Laypeople' when it is talking about laypeople..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01042764516574463751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-1218128241785609632013-11-07T14:47:41.256+00:002013-11-07T14:47:41.256+00:00The sheer lack of professionalism of the survey is...The sheer lack of professionalism of the survey is one of its most worrying aspects.Physiocrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13682019625346594568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-85667785064755480762013-11-07T14:39:40.895+00:002013-11-07T14:39:40.895+00:00I have also just struggled through the survey - to...I have also just struggled through the survey - took me about 40 minutes - but only because I answered 'No idea', 'Don't know' or 'Don't understand the question' to quite a few. This seems to me a classic example of the kind of pseudo-academic theological/anthropological psycho-babble we get in a lot of church documents nowadays - and which to the ordinary man or woman in the pew is incomprehensible - and worse, boring and actively off-puttingJamesF-Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09022372845058211854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-22714955291237695022013-11-07T09:34:35.601+00:002013-11-07T09:34:35.601+00:00The bubble has popped, I totally agree with you, a...The bubble has popped, I totally agree with you, and so has a load of people over on the Catholic Herald site for the questionnaire. Someone posted the Laymans version on the comment box (reposted for convenience):<br />https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1IoKQqaH69n2b0cCk_XnukyMelb16X6sy45MVxGGtIO8/viewform <br />What do you think of that version?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-44129115669612818032013-11-07T08:34:41.893+00:002013-11-07T08:34:41.893+00:00I trust that all you people who are disatisfied wi...I trust that all you people who are disatisfied with this survey and are busy complaining to each other are also complaining in writing, specifically and in detail, to your respective bishops with copy to Rome. Trouble is I'm not sure what office there. Perhaps someone could help? Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-859641245687529932013-11-06T21:41:06.943+00:002013-11-06T21:41:06.943+00:00This is sickening, a total joke! This new pope ne...This is sickening, a total joke! This new pope needs to find his way back to Argentina! Augustinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03674447748749249196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-79278352507032806472013-11-06T21:40:54.091+00:002013-11-06T21:40:54.091+00:00This is sickening, a total joke! This new pope ne...This is sickening, a total joke! This new pope needs to find his way back to Argentina! Augustinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03674447748749249196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-60833442471971192982013-11-06T17:18:50.391+00:002013-11-06T17:18:50.391+00:00Thank you for this post.
I also laboured with thi...Thank you for this post.<br /><br />I also laboured with this survey.<br /><br />I echo all your comments.The Fact Compilerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15749384421201300402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-15168028567495950462013-11-06T16:32:56.468+00:002013-11-06T16:32:56.468+00:00It would appear from
http://visnews-en.blogspot.co...It would appear from<br />http://visnews-en.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/preparatory-document-of-synod.html<br />that the survey questions were directed at the bishops, and that someone (in E&W, at least) has decided that the simplest way to involve the faithful was to send out the same survey verbatim, without making the alterations necesssary fro a] clercal and b] lay participants to respond intelligently.<br />Kind regards<br />JohnJohn F H Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01032884551581324489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-86188281417579160092013-11-06T15:09:47.270+00:002013-11-06T15:09:47.270+00:00I fancy this survey was thought up by a bunch of c...I fancy this survey was thought up by a bunch of clerical bureaucrats who've been sent to Rome to get them out of their home dioceses...Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-2781007612341992792013-11-06T14:28:02.791+00:002013-11-06T14:28:02.791+00:00The survey is laughable. I think Joseph has hit th...The survey is laughable. I think Joseph has hit the nail on the head with a lot of the points here. The questions seem to combine the worst aspects of the prissiness, vagueness and pretension of modern clericalism and seem to have been thought up by a committee that has no concept of the reality of the family. <br /><br />On another point, the priesthood often does not attract the brightest. On the contrary, I'm afraid. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06452539993070561957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-83186169826117244702013-11-06T13:14:43.396+00:002013-11-06T13:14:43.396+00:00This is really frightening. If the competence of t...This is really frightening. If the competence of the survey-design reflects the competence of the synod, then help us God (literally, of course)! I was under the impression that the priesthood attracts bright people, and that the brightest then trickle up the hierarchy. There goes that theory. Sebastianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09433637187666087504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-19854250447984397452013-11-06T11:50:35.818+00:002013-11-06T11:50:35.818+00:00Thanks for this. I could not have expressed my fee...Thanks for this. I could not have expressed my feelings about this survey any better.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07098007440868887687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-3716239111645817182013-11-06T10:56:13.310+00:002013-11-06T10:56:13.310+00:00Thanks!
Of course no one would object improving t...Thanks!<br /><br />Of course no one would object improving the process if the problem is that the tribunals are under-resourced or lack qualified canonists. But getting complex legal questions straightened out is always going to take time.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-55225787449271150472013-11-06T10:49:23.108+00:002013-11-06T10:49:23.108+00:00Ha! That should be accepted not accosted! Sorry!
...Ha! That should be accepted not accosted! Sorry!<br /><br />Chloe<br />Chloehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05938814790482289950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-12337552594551380012013-11-06T10:48:22.761+00:002013-11-06T10:48:22.761+00:00Having been though an annulment process and come o...Having been though an annulment process and come out the other end, I can tell you it is a long and difficult process. Long may it remain so! My fear was that it WOULD be rubber stamped and therefore displeasing to God. I was greatly reassured by the process at the time. Had I not been given the annulment, I would have accosted that fact and tried, in single blessedness, to live according to the Church's teaching. For this of us who have been through these things and tried to live Catholic lives, often with much sacrifice, to reduce this to "Catholic divorce" would be a betrayal. Don't make it easier. Also, though I was not remarried, I experienced no hostility at all from my parish. Just support.<br /><br />ChloeChloehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05938814790482289950noreply@blogger.com