tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post8481163075174650091..comments2024-03-26T12:56:54.350+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: Cardinal Sarah's proposed reform of the Traditional MassLatin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-31316323134338724052017-09-24T13:08:56.933+01:002017-09-24T13:08:56.933+01:001. Why card. Sarah wants reconciliation if pope Be...1. Why card. Sarah wants reconciliation if pope Benedict XVI has written that there are no contradiction between the two forms? What is to reconciliate there?<br /><br />2. As most of the churchgoers go to Mass on Sundays and Feasts of obligation, the reformers wanted to squeeze as much as possible into such days, so we have the 3rd lesson and 3-year cycle of readings in the OF. Therefore, the introduction of ferial lectionary will have little pastoral advantage.<br /><br />3. As the traditional form has a rather rich Sanctoral (even the 1962 version), the Advent season included (+ Ember days), more effective 'enrichment' in practice would be to add a little more diversity to the readings of propers and/or commons of Saints.<br /><br />4. As an aside, the reforms immediately before 1962 had in fact empoverished the lectionary. The most easy 'enrichment' would be to restore the pericopes lost then.Pulexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13164993172745639593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-23050064640408121532017-09-23T01:13:28.266+01:002017-09-23T01:13:28.266+01:00Dr Shaw has given a very crisp and perceptive summ...Dr Shaw has given a very crisp and perceptive summary of the ineradicable differences of approach and choice of biblical texts in both rites. <br />I agree that 1) the provision of ferial propers for Advent in the ancient rite might well be a good idea but 2) would need to be informed by the ancient penitential spirit of that rite and that Season, and would differ radically from those provided in the OF Lectionary. So that, far from providing any 'reconciliation' between the OF and EF, such a move would actually further deepen the division.<br />Personally this would worry me not at all, as the two rites are in essence and approach completely irreconcilable, and it is most salutary for everyone to see this clearly and without fudging the issue. The clearer the differences, the more readily and inexorably the devout will be drawn to the older rite. <br />I am surprised Cardinal Sarah of all people wishes to pursue such a 'liturgical reconciliation' in the first place. If anyone told me that in a certain Church the TLM was said in a manner that made it 'more reconciled' with the OF, I would strictly avoid it. John Vaschttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00335331585265267754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-78418927530847511042017-09-22T21:25:30.103+01:002017-09-22T21:25:30.103+01:00There's no reason at all that you would have t...There's no reason at all that you would have to pull new ferial propers from the O.F., which would be difficult for the reasons Mr. Shaw points out.<br /><br />But Kevin Jones points to the solution: just crib off the Breviary.<br /><br />And people should really take Mr. Shaw's advice not to Freak Out to heart. No one's going to hand the traditional lectionary over to Archbishop Marini with a carte blanche. It's an academic exercise. And it's a reasonable one. Adding some extra ferial propers would be fine, useful, and not historically aberrant. The topic hasn't anything to do, one way or another, with rampant abuse in the N.O. It's an entirely different conversation; the people responsible for abuses in the N.O. aren't interested in participating in it, and they aren't interested in listening to our (very obvious) observations concerning those abuses. <br /><br />So until someone wants to use the ecclesiastical elbow grease needed to make those people listen on that topic, we might as well talk about something else. This will do.Titushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01905201479928703850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-21353305031959709832017-09-21T09:25:33.345+01:002017-09-21T09:25:33.345+01:00"the way to establish liturgical harmony is t..."the way to establish liturgical harmony is to let each thing be what it is, not to force changes on them contrary to their own inner logic." 100% spot on. <br /><br />The other key point, overlooked perhaps, is the 'Breviarium Romanum' - the creation of a new lectionary/ferial Mass series at Advent would surely mean a re-write - a big task.<br /><br />Not carried out would see a series of antiphons and lections (at Matins in particular), not linked to revised ferial Advent Mass of the day.Mold Junctionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04720139361285979498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-18283719953102907952017-09-21T01:10:10.460+01:002017-09-21T01:10:10.460+01:00Here we go again! Those who think they can improve...Here we go again! Those who think they can improve on the Mass of Ages already had their go at tinkering with it - big time. The result was an unprecedented disaster and each passing day confirms this over and over again.<br /><br />Now they want another go. No, no, no! By all means 'improve' the NO, if you're not satisfied with it (and if you think that that is actually possible), but leave the Traditional Mass alone. <br /><br />Tinkering with the Traditional Mass deflects attention away from the core defects of the NO and the rampant abuses that these defects lead to. That is what needs to be addressed if the good of the faithful is the real issue. <br /><br />Many faithful have made the deliberate decision to attend the Traditional Mass and are very happy with that decision, experiencing the many spiritual benefits that flow from the old Mass. They do not want any changes. <br /><br />As for the other Catholics, they are free to make the same decision whenever they wish. Marhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08439138281997427236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-4013887394993017972017-09-20T20:00:44.659+01:002017-09-20T20:00:44.659+01:00The bishops that straddle the traditional world (i...The bishops that straddle the traditional world (i.e. those who exclusively, or desire to exclusively, attend the traditional liturgy), and the rest of the church seem to have raised the notion of mutual enrichment far beyond the Holy Father's prudential suggestions regarding mutual enrichment in HH's letter accompanying to SP. I'm guessing that they are afraid of being seen as partisan if they only advocate for the unilateral enrichment of the NO.<br /><br />Quo Primum allowed former uses to continue to be used so long as they had been in use continuously for the previous 200 years (I'm paraphrasing obviously). Let's wait that amount of time and evaluate then whether there is anything left of the NO to enrich the TLM.<br />Nemohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15944347378589715282noreply@blogger.com