tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post8572711565011906766..comments2024-03-26T12:56:54.350+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: Michael Voris in the fleshLatin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-86440601422920218732011-09-01T17:23:48.145+01:002011-09-01T17:23:48.145+01:00I agree with much of what you've written. As I...I agree with much of what you've written. As I said on the pilgrimage, my main criticism of your post would be the suggestion that Michael is incapable of giving a coherent speech. He is. He admitted in the course of the speech that he does sometimes give what are effectively 'Catholic pep rallies'. I wanted his speech to be general so as to reach as wide an audience as possible. Of course, I'm sure Michael wouldn't mind your post as much of his talk focused on the fact that criticism and negativity are not necessarily the same thing. I'm sure he would be glad of you advice and his work would be enriched by the help of men such as yourself. And maybe our good friend Dr Lamont?Paul Smeatonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-22133883579372030632011-08-29T14:56:43.907+01:002011-08-29T14:56:43.907+01:00Just so no one is left with the impression that Mi...Just so no one is left with the impression that Michael Voris is "all work and no play," his devotion to Notre Dame football is second to none. Michael does everything he can to attend EVERY home football game! So he IS capable of taking a "time out" from apostolic zeal.Terry Carrollnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-25652010190261410382011-08-29T13:13:20.737+01:002011-08-29T13:13:20.737+01:00I agree that we are not all called to go out preac...I agree that we are not all called to go out preaching the faith to thousands. Evangelism can take many forms; for most of us, it involves going faithfully about our daily duties at work, home, school, what have you, and sharing the love of Christ with whomever God sends our way. I'm sure it's something you are already doing, as is clear from this blog.<br /><br />As a mother, I don't have a vocation to travel the world and preach--but I do have a vocation to raise my children, to teach them about the faith, to offer my sacrifices, interior and exterior, for souls, to pray, and simply to be faithful in my daily duties. I think one can save souls this way just as effectively as the greatest preacher in the world.<br /><br />I was grateful, though, that Voris challenged me to try to be even *more* effective; his message was not one of "Work more!" It was one of "Love more!"--love those souls who don't know Christ, and do what you can to save them. Surely, this is something you are already doing in your desire to propagate the extraordinary form mass and share the riches and treasures of our Catholic faith with so many today who have been robbed of it.Christinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-52034140808956691592011-08-29T10:12:53.296+01:002011-08-29T10:12:53.296+01:00In many ways he is an ally. So he needs carefully ...In many ways he is an ally. So he needs carefully considered criticism from basically friendly sources, like everyone else.Joseph Shawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-68170601133768363452011-08-29T10:10:30.279+01:002011-08-29T10:10:30.279+01:00Interesting Sheed was the source of this idea. It ...Interesting Sheed was the source of this idea. It doesn't sound any more plausible in Sheed's mouth. However Voris' way if putting it was was less nuanced and more clearly erroneous.<br />Many saints wore themselves out with apostolic work. I'd be interested to hear that any of them said that the laity should do the same. Certainly many of them said that they had been excessive in their penances and warned others not to overdo it. We don't all have the same vocation.Joseph Shawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-38657548861049692462011-08-28T23:55:03.412+01:002011-08-28T23:55:03.412+01:00<span>"The Blessed Eucharist is THE Sac...<span>"The Blessed Eucharist is THE Sacrament. Baptism exists FOR it, all the others are enriched by it."</span><br /><span>--Theology For Beginners, by Frank J. Sheed.</span><br /><br />I think you may have misunderstood the point of Voris's talk. He never said give up ALL recreation; he explicitly said consider an activity you do daily, or frequently--an activity that takes up much of your time--and then offer it up as a sacrifice. Yes, it was a challenge, a bold challenge to many of us who already feel as if we are devout Catholics doing the best we can. It forced me to examine my own life and ask--am I really doing the best I can?<br /><br />Voris spoke of the apostolic zeal of the early martyrs--do we have such zeal today? He talked about the purpose of a candle--to be entirely spent, expended, consumed in producing light. And our souls--are they not created to be expended wholly and entirely to save souls? A very direct message--but one repeated by countless saints, who did indeed exhaust themselves for souls. Are we doing the same?Christinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-3108737955990065572011-08-28T19:23:01.553+01:002011-08-28T19:23:01.553+01:00I noticed this post a couple of days ago and inste...I noticed this post a couple of days ago and instead of barging straight in I thought I'd have a think about it. I admit to liking Voris. I also wish to see some Latin Masses re-introduced in every parish, I understand that there is a need for training but, I see no reason why we could not have access to at least one Latin Mass a week. I tell you this so you do not think that I am in any way against you.<br /><br />I will cut to the chase. I am under no illusion that Michael Voris is perfect by any stretch of the imagination however, I see no reason why you would criticise him (even if it is well thought out criticism). You need all the help your organisation can get. You are 'up against it' with the Bishops and I see no clamour for a return for Latin masses by the majority of the Church goers I come across. I would have thought that with his high profile you would have considered him an ally. I have gone through some of his back catalogue and he certainly seems to be supportive of your cause.<br /><br />Have you shot yourself in the foot with this post? Just a thought. I'd like to know what you thought.catholicgadflynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-66731244416523006182011-08-26T13:59:21.602+01:002011-08-26T13:59:21.602+01:00Well written, Joseph Shaw. I agree, especially wit...Well written, Joseph Shaw. I agree, especially with the following:<br /><br /><p><span>"The theologians, priests and bishops who don't like Voris' style should get off their backsides and do what he is doing, better."</span><span></span></p>Ioannesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-89051194588746488072011-08-25T19:42:36.338+01:002011-08-25T19:42:36.338+01:00I whole-heartely agree...
Like you, I noticed tha...I whole-heartely agree...<br /><br />Like you, I noticed that the talk didn't really go anywhere, even if it was inspiring for many of those who were present. All I could come up with when trying to describe the speech was that it seemed to be a Catholic "pep talk".<br /><br />Yes, the theology seemed dodgy - or not very systematic. As you said, no real heresy but a few gaffes.<br /><br />Hope you have a nice time during the Walsingham Pilgrimage.Dylan Parry (A Reluctant Sinner)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-12085697455150210372011-08-25T11:47:07.643+01:002011-08-25T11:47:07.643+01:00I was there too. Spotted you on the other side of ...I was there too. Spotted you on the other side of the hall and didn't get a chance to come over and say hello.<br /><br />I agree entirely with the point you make about the need for recreation. Getting the balance right in this way is where things like rules of life and spiritual direction come in, and I thought it lamentable that he didn't highlight the urgent need for both of them.Andrew Witcombe-Smallnoreply@blogger.com