tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post9159917530891963491..comments2024-03-14T06:43:39.590+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: Historic crimes: repentance and reparation, Part 2Latin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-68507993729806310242014-09-05T12:24:34.061+01:002014-09-05T12:24:34.061+01:00You are confusing shame with guilt.
If it can be ...You are confusing shame with guilt.<br /><br />If it can be appropriate to have a positive feeling about, saying, having five martyrs among one's ancestors, then it must be appropriate to have a negative feeling about having five mass-murderers among one's ancestors. Guilt would not be appropriate. We call the appropriate feeling shame.<br /><br />Shame may call for action. Again, if it is right that we benefit from the good things our predecessors in an institution have done, then we, the current stewards of an institution, should take a degree of responsibility for the bad things. Obviously, there are limits. But this follows for example for the Rosminians and other orders in dealing with historic child abuse cases.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-38535394831573522822014-09-04T20:00:56.599+01:002014-09-04T20:00:56.599+01:00Interesting post as always.
Something that I am ...Interesting post as always. <br /><br />Something that I am not entirely sure about though is the idea of feeling ashamed for sins of others. I do not see why we should feel ashamed about what someone else has done. Perhaps there is a hint of presumption on our part to some degree as well in lifting ourselves above them. <br /><br />From another perspective, is there no risk of mentally forming some aversion toward the Catholic faith if one associates or develops some shame as a result of the Catholicity of the individual?<br /><br />The other reason why I have some doubts is with respect to where this shame should originate from. In the case of national shame or family shame you mentioned, the shame comes from the fact that we could not as a nation/family prevent the member (who were in our charge) from committing a certain act. The shame in that case is reasonable. <br /><br />But I fail to see how the actions of a priest suddenly fell within the responsibility of fellow Catholics. I can see the Pope or Bishops being ashamed about their own failure to prevent such things. I can also see parents of children being ashamed for being too trusting of their children with strangers. But I don't see how one can reasonably feel ashamed about all Catholics. <br /><br />Is that even healthy?<br /><br />But I very much agree with the rest of the suggestions of making reparation through penances and other means.T-C-https://www.blogger.com/profile/08263638091427859851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-9773696636884049952014-09-04T14:24:00.395+01:002014-09-04T14:24:00.395+01:00Very good post. Thank you.Very good post. Thank you.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14679459294112064049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-24840754037706421232014-09-04T12:03:01.992+01:002014-09-04T12:03:01.992+01:00Great post.
It is interesting that the concept of...Great post. <br />It is interesting that the concept of reparation is directly related to sacrifice, and that of course both have been obscured, if not lost, in the new Rite of Mass. <br />I am much reminded of Romano Amerio's magnus opus Iota Unam, especially where he points out the intellectual malaise, that the actions of liturgical reform reinforced intellectual positions and perceptions of those who carried it out, promote it or use it.<br />While I whole heartedly agree, penance, especially public penance instituted by the Hierarchy is absolutely required in these times, I am highly sceptical that those in the Hierarchy believe, understand and will, in the same manner as you or I. The real battle is to get them to change the way they believe.<br />Today there is all too much planned ambiguity - http://bit.ly/1rvrb3X<br />With respect,<br />CatholicScout.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com