tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post942385783695279148..comments2024-03-26T12:56:54.350+00:00Comments on LMS Chairman: Reply to critics: Why do I defend the Simple Faithful?Latin Mass Societyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17951084157414901564noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-24341573503278090092014-09-23T17:50:09.627+01:002014-09-23T17:50:09.627+01:00Also very perceptive.Also very perceptive.Philadelphia Catholic Outsiderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05437535947019285456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-13006399318071186492014-06-18T18:40:49.909+01:002014-06-18T18:40:49.909+01:00Dr. Rowland sniffs with disdain at the people in a...Dr. Rowland sniffs with disdain at the people in attendance at the traditional Mass who dress as if they were "from another era." But the manner in which she is attired during her commentary is no different from the way these people dress---that is, modestly. Rowland's criticism is thus exposed as gratuitous and even rather malicious. Ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15904697471256936203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-51548162983458306902013-07-18T14:04:37.339+01:002013-07-18T14:04:37.339+01:00Really Mr Shaw, I suggest you get over yourself. O...Really Mr Shaw, I suggest you get over yourself. Or as was once the saying in Australia "have a Bex, a nice cup of tea, and a little lie down".<br /><br />I've attended the old Mass for a long time. If Dr Rowland has had some bad experiences she is I am afraid, unfortunately, not alone. That in itself should be pause for thought about how we impact those exploring the old Mass.A Canberra Observerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06535968849872994063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-75389598538665016752013-07-16T21:37:25.936+01:002013-07-16T21:37:25.936+01:00Just the sort of remark my children make. "I ...Just the sort of remark my children make. "I didn't say my brother was a wally, I just said that he looks like a wally." <br /><br />Anyway, I'm glad you removed the insulting remarks. And maybe you've got a point too. Peace.Elizabeth H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11400751078416798553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-14008563590850990522013-07-16T18:54:17.811+01:002013-07-16T18:54:17.811+01:00I didn't call her fat. I don't know if she...I didn't call her fat. I don't know if she is or not. I observed that big floral prints make you look fat, the link demonstrates this is a widely-held view.<br /><br />I've taken the photo down because I was asked to by the photographer.Joseph Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06587987442560784792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-15328592136697298612013-07-16T17:38:39.791+01:002013-07-16T17:38:39.791+01:00Dr Shaw did call Prof Rowland fat in the original ...Dr Shaw did call Prof Rowland fat in the original post. He also insulted her hairstyle, her glasses and her name. I'm glad to see that those remarks have now been removed, but there is still a link to an article entitled "How florals make you look fat" or some such. <br /><br />Wasn't her lecture all about how to increase participation in the EF? Might there not be some truth in what she says? Is that why it's provoked this extraordinary outburst?Elizabeth H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11400751078416798553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-48845179546501304422013-07-16T02:39:48.184+01:002013-07-16T02:39:48.184+01:00Elizabeth, you need to relax. He did not call her...<br /><br />Elizabeth, you need to relax. He did not call her fat. She, on the other hand, started the whole issue by making fun of people's dress, and oddly claiming that she is surrounded by people after EF masses who critique it like an "opera." I don't know where she attends the EF but I've never had any experience remotely like that. <br /><br />JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18149137656710173911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-17661803607727946572013-07-15T23:21:21.739+01:002013-07-15T23:21:21.739+01:00I find this bizarre. For a start, Prof Rowland did...I find this bizarre. For a start, Prof Rowland did not attack "the fashion sense of Catholic mothers" or whatever you said on Twitter. She just mentioned "oddly dressed people", gender unspecified. So your vicious insults about her personal appearance, which you call a 'joke', are all the more unjustified and unseemly. And then to liken yourself to our Lord or the saints in order to justify yourself... I don't remember our Lord calling the Pharisees fat.Elizabeth H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11400751078416798553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-59567310569813900862013-07-15T21:40:43.377+01:002013-07-15T21:40:43.377+01:00I wonder if you think this is a fair treatment to ...I wonder if you think this is a fair treatment to the argument?<br />I particularly dislike her analogy regarding the opera, although a friend did suggest an interpretation, that Rowland was referring to the transforming of the mass to a performance.<br /><br />http://thepilgrim-thereandbackagain.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/a-reply-to-tracey-rowland-and-joseph.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11305844269520100453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-45506223880343809562013-07-15T20:07:51.822+01:002013-07-15T20:07:51.822+01:00More Rowlandesque here, if you like: http://socrat...More Rowlandesque here, if you like: http://socrates-pelican.blogspot.com/2012/05/gnostic-traditionalist-new-oxford.html<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-27928569928487115232013-07-15T14:44:58.275+01:002013-07-15T14:44:58.275+01:00Dr Shaw,
You raise the issue of conflict in the C...Dr Shaw,<br /><br />You raise the issue of conflict in the Church with its web of ideas and theories. It is essential sometimes to step back from the canvass to obtain a proper perspective.<br /><br />The Church, the Mystical Body of Christ on Earth under the Successor of Peter, the Pope, is today, in a complete mess. The last time this happened in the sixteenth century when we actually resorted to open warfare.<br /><br />Now I’m not suggesting that we do that now, nor am I entirely sure that rudeness is an appropriate weapon. But, there is a time to turn the other cheek and a time to drive the abusers from the temple. I do think that the time has come for us Catholics who accept two millennia of the Magisterium’s understanding of Scripture and Revelation and who reject the gross distortions which were hoisted on the Faithfull in the post Vatican II period by means of implicitly false liturgy, the abolition of apologetics and catechesis in our schools and of Catholic devotions, to speak out openly and robustly.<br /><br />Above all, we must ensure that our ancient Catholic Mass is returned to its rightful and full place in Catholic worship. <br />Jacobihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04743062941733814176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-43452853069882890812013-07-15T07:37:43.560+01:002013-07-15T07:37:43.560+01:00The irony of a Catholic intellectual (a good thing...The irony of a Catholic intellectual (a good thing), having recently gathered at an international symposium with other noted Catholic intellectuals (a very good thing), freely bandying words like "aestheticism" (a thought provoking thing) around but then turning to criticise, what she perceives to be, the out-modish fashions of some of her own sex who attend TLM is just too toe-curlingly embarrassing to be true. Talk about ivory towering! Talk about lack of self-awareness!<br /><br />i wonder, though, where Ms Rowland got the inspiration to ungenerously slight the personal traits and habits (as she evidently sees them) of ordinary Catholics in the pews at Old Masses? As though they were relics from a bygone age, the 1940s or sometime previous?<br /><br />Hmmm. Can't quite put my finger on where I've heard that type of unthinking air rifle fire recently. It does seem to be all the fashion at the moment, though, that general type of tone. I've certainly heard it before over the past few months. I could be mistaken, though. Maybe I was too busy counting Rosaries at the time to really take notice.GWAMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01840883223560338540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-72274496929104161862013-07-15T02:40:21.333+01:002013-07-15T02:40:21.333+01:00Well I greatly enjoyed your original post, agreed ...Well I greatly enjoyed your original post, agreed with everything it said, and hope for more of the same kind.John Lhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12689601844788629693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30490922.post-82910072381433450022013-07-14T23:36:21.672+01:002013-07-14T23:36:21.672+01:00I've had my run-in with Mr. Reid as well, who,...I've had my run-in with Mr. Reid as well, who, much like Dr. Rowland, took aim at the traditional Catholic in the pew, accusing him of being a "Gnostic". I think the charge of bullying is rather astute on your part, Mr. Shaw. That seems to sum it up, especially since there are so few who are willing, at least for now, to dish out to the bullies in kind.<br /><br />I find it rather odd that Dr. Rowland was defended the way she was in the comments thread. It seems that too many Catholics have been conditioned to simply "accept" whatever their supposed betters say without question, no matter how insulting or even erroneous what they say or write may be.<br /><br />That is, I'm afraid, the fruits of the interpretative theology of the Hermeneutic of Reform in Continuity approach. Eventually the only interpretation that will be correct is from those who can flash credentials or shout the loudest, a.k.a the "conservative" Catholic bullies, be they pundit bullies or PhDed bullies.Assholehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07758977277015850438noreply@blogger.com