Saturday, September 30, 2017

Me on EWTN

I appear at the beginning of this programme presented by Raymond Arroyo; having said my piece, they let me go and Arroyo discusses the issues raised, with his 'Papal Posse', Fr Gerald Murray (a canonist) and Robert Royal.

It was pre-recorded; I was in a BBC studio in Edinburgh. The reason for some of the awkwardness of the questions and answers between me and Arroyo was the five-second time lag down the line between Edinburgh and Washington DC. I couldn't hear him trying to interrupt me until five seconds after he did it. (When you appear like this you can't see the presenter.) They tried to edit out the resulting pauses but there are limits.

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  1. At 9:40, when discussing whether the teaching of the Church has been "put in doubt" by "this particular papacy," Robert Royal states, some people "get angry."

    Good grief! Why shouldn't Catholics be angry about this?

    1. “Hope has two beautiful daughters; their names are Anger and Courage. Anger at the way things are, and Courage to see that they do not remain as they are.” St.Augustine

  2. I noticed the same thing, when Robert Royal indicates people get angry. There is such a thing as righteous anger, but there is no such thing as righteous niceness.
    Mr. Shaw you did a good job. It's not easy talking to a major media outlet about this huge topic that you are trying to compress into digestible bits. I wouldn't want to do it with the delay at all.

  3. Look, I just watched the whole discussion here, and I'm appreciative of all involved for their thoughtful contributions to our understanding.
    But they are under constraints, all of the papal posse, to be somewhat restrained in saying the obvious. I am under no such constraints.
    As a practicing Roman Catholic, I, as well as my husband, are appalled at this papacy, and what astounds us almost every single day, is how we are still talking in reasoned tones, and identifying this man, this person, as the "holy father", when it has become obvious, he is nothing of the kind, but he has purposefully, with great intention, done everything he can to disrupt and destroy the Catholic faith, the Church, the Ten Commandments, the Gospel, even one can say, western civilization itself. He needs to be anathema.
    Even to this writer, not a theological scholar, but armed with a sense of Christian discernment, it has long been obvious that the man who sits on the Chair of Peter is a clear, determined, and obstinate danger to Catholics, Christians, and to the entire world. His cabal is the same. The men who fill St. Peter's right now are nothing but vile creatures who must be excised from Rome. They are nothing but destroyers and many of them filthy men who hate the faith and probably, Our Lord.
    We simply must stop the polite and restrained chatter. Please gentlemen, we know we all want to be civil, but the time for restraint is past. This man acts more a devil than a pope. We must speak plainly and with force. No one, NO ONE, can take the Gospel and Tradition and "change it". There is no dialogue possible on this. The answer is NO. We are not going to be persuaded to anything else on that point, and can answer with all possible certainty, not now, not EVER.

  4. As Cardinal Madriaga noted - where is all the righteous anger with regards the Middle Eastern wars? The obscenity of the usurer bailouts? The growing gap between rich and poor which even atheist economists lament?

  5. The anger regarding Middle Eastern wars and usurer bailouts has been at times expressed also on the traditional Catholic websites (like Remnant). The result of this anger is, in part, also the election of 'populist' political leaders. Whether they can be deliver on voters' wishes is a different question. In any case, it seems that there is currently no reason to address dubia or 'correction' to the Pope about these questions.

    Global questions of national and global economics often require specialist knowledge while the offense against faith and morals could be perceived by any well-catechized person.

  6. It's an indictment of the Catholic Church and Christianity in general when people turn to populist political leaders for answers. The confusion of Jacob Rees-Mogg when answering a question on abortion was noted by the blog author. His interrogators could have destroyed him on economics if they were minded to. Little wonder that the Church has nothing to say in the public square if a man of Mr. Rees-Mogg's undoubted intelligence is unable to defend the Church using basic common sense.